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Post by tyson on Mar 19, 2008 5:46:15 GMT -5
www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL19891210Bulgaria, Hungary, Croatia to recognise KosovoWed Mar 19, 2008 5:26am EDT BRUSSELS, March 19 (Reuters) - Bulgaria, Hungary and Croatia will on Wednesday become the first of Serbia's neighbours to recognise Kosovo, according to a statement obtained by Reuters. In the statement due to be made public later in the day, the three countries said their decision was based on "thorough consideration" and noted the importance of protecting the Serb minority in the overwhelming ethnic Albanian territory. (Reporting by Mark John, editing by Paul Taylor)
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 19, 2008 6:03:22 GMT -5
;D ;D
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Post by ioan on Mar 19, 2008 6:54:44 GMT -5
Maybe Greece should ve been part of the team also.
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Post by tyson on Mar 19, 2008 8:08:18 GMT -5
^ why do you say that? isnt greece and greeks best friends with serbia and serbs?.....
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 19, 2008 22:55:37 GMT -5
and they hate albanians.
it seems the only people that seem to dislike albanians are their immediate neighbours.
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Post by radovic on Mar 19, 2008 23:24:38 GMT -5
and they hate albanians. it seems the only people that seem to dislike albanians are their immediate neighbours. Then I didn't know the Swiss shared a border with Albania, or that Italy was't seperated from them by a sea. I've never met an Italian with a good thing to say about them and the Swiss have proposed an asylum and deportation law that would specifically target Albanians. Oh, and then there's the fact that from my experience most Croats support the Albanian out of spite for Serbs. Croats (as well as Slovenes) tend to dislike Albanians.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 19, 2008 23:39:42 GMT -5
and they hate albanians. it seems the only people that seem to dislike albanians are their immediate neighbours. Then I didn't know the Swiss shared a border with Albania, or that Italy was't seperated from them by a sea. I've never met an Italian with a good thing to say about them and the Swiss have proposed an asylum and deportation law that would specifically target Albanians. Oh, and then there's the fact that from my experience most Croats support the Albanian out of spite for Serbs. Croats (as well as Slovenes) tend to dislike Albanians. And since when is a sea a seperation and not a border? do you even read what you write? Tend to dislike. Maybe but thats only the yugonostalgics that tend to dislike Albanians. <ore of them tend to dislike Serbs. There's three types of Croats: Yugonostalgics, Intermediate, Nationalist. Yugonostalgics are like MIG and fender and generally tend to dislike and want to go back to the old ways of being under Serboslavia. Intermediate Croats which is the majority of them are neutral about us and dont care enough. Nationalist and Patriotic Croats like Cikola and LoneRabbit support us. The government of Croatia on the other hand recognized Kosovo's indepedence which clearly shows how most of the people stand. The rest about Swiss and Italians is a lot of Serbian propaganda garbage. Both nations have recognized Kosovo and have helped us in times of need. And if you meat some of them who dislike us, its only natural that you would bump into those kind of people.
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Post by MiG on Mar 20, 2008 0:26:04 GMT -5
Oh no, the Yugonostalgic MiG and his ranting ways. The statements that say that Yugoslavia shall once again rise from the ashes, to burn and smite (don't forget chase away) the big, bad, and evil Albanians! *Tunder, Lightning in the Background*... I'm loving it! LOVING IT! They should make a movie like that. BTW, can ALL in these forums notice that as soon as someone thinks that an Independent Kosovo is a bad idea, they are labled a Serb or a Serb lover, wanting to live in Yugoslavia (aka Serboslavia as they say)? Boss all I have to say is that, I'd live and love a Serb 1000x before I do a Siptar like yourself. You guys have your good ones, I know that (no doubt), I've seen them. But Albanians like YOU, have no right to tell me anything or to judge me (or anyone else as a matter of fact). I share a common language with the Serb people, a common culture, and a slavic background. You're no Croat, and that is the sole exact reason you have no right to put my people into categories.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 20, 2008 0:38:22 GMT -5
MIG i'm not looking for your support. This is how i see things from my point of view as far as my personal experience goes with Croats. Ive meat people from all the camps that i described. The only support i care about is from people like Cikola/TheLoneRabbit who to me seems reasonable people and of course the official government policy.
I never said you don't share a language with the Serbs. A lot of propaganda about my people were done in Yugoslavia that still range in the perception of some Croats, Bosnians and Serbs. So when i hear those propaganda spewn out of peoples mouth im here to defend myself.
I'm dating a Canadian girl with Croatian background for almost a year now. So obviously there are some still descent ones left. ;D And don't think you will offend me by calling me "siptar" silly slav. Im a proud loyal Shqiptar. Proud of my heritage and culture and free of inferiority complexes that you or your kind possess.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Mar 20, 2008 2:00:38 GMT -5
This is great news. I'm all for it.
Oh and MiG we share a common language with our neighbours; but please don't call yourself a Slac by ethnicity; you are only putting yourself annd all Croats, Serbs etc down. I thought you knew better than that. Smran te bilo :-)
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Post by terroreign on Mar 20, 2008 2:51:29 GMT -5
MiG - People arent calling you and Fender serbs or serb-lovers just due to your stance on Kosovo, but so many other factors combined with that!
Just your stance on Bosnia and Serbia and the rest of the balkans is not like a normal croat, instead closer to a Serb from Belgrade
Obviously the fact you live in Australia and all of your best friends are serbs affect your judgement.
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 20, 2008 2:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Mar 20, 2008 2:59:27 GMT -5
lol cikola just loves rubbing it in their faces
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 20, 2008 3:17:18 GMT -5
NE BOJIMO SE !!!!
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Post by Fender on Mar 20, 2008 8:11:10 GMT -5
MiG - People arent calling you and Fender serbs or serb-lovers just due to your stance on Kosovo, but so many other factors combined with that! Just your stance on Bosnia and Serbia and the rest of the balkans is not like a normal croat, instead closer to a Serb from Belgrade Obviously the fact you live in Australia and all of your best friends are serbs affect your judgement. MiG is in Canada, I'm in Australia. Heres another suggestion, shut the hell up and inform yourself before speaking.
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Post by Fender on Mar 20, 2008 8:13:18 GMT -5
Then I didn't know the Swiss shared a border with Albania, or that Italy was't seperated from them by a sea. I've never met an Italian with a good thing to say about them and the Swiss have proposed an asylum and deportation law that would specifically target Albanians. Oh, and then there's the fact that from my experience most Croats support the Albanian out of spite for Serbs. Croats (as well as Slovenes) tend to dislike Albanians. And since when is a sea a seperation and not a border? do you even read what you write? Tend to dislike. Maybe but thats only the yugonostalgics that tend to dislike Albanians. <ore of them tend to dislike Serbs. There's three types of Croats: Yugonostalgics, Intermediate, Nationalist. Yugonostalgics are like MIG and fender and generally tend to dislike and want to go back to the old ways of being under Serboslavia. Intermediate Croats which is the majority of them are neutral about us and dont care enough. Nationalist and Patriotic Croats like Cikola and LoneRabbit support us. The government of Croatia on the other hand recognized Kosovo's indepedence which clearly shows how most of the people stand. The rest about Swiss and Italians is a lot of Serbian propaganda garbage. Both nations have recognized Kosovo and have helped us in times of need. And if you meat some of them who dislike us, its only natural that you would bump into those kind of people. The people of Croatia never had a chance to vote on whether to recognise Kosovo or not. It was only done in parliament. So my suggestion to you as well is to shut the hell up and research before opening up your mouth. My trigger finger is becoming itchy.
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Post by Pejoni on Mar 20, 2008 8:21:15 GMT -5
Thank you Croatia!
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Post by radovic on Mar 20, 2008 11:09:36 GMT -5
No. Croats (as well as Slovenians) tend to dislike Albanians. Slovenians view Albanians in Slovenia as being dirty gastarbeiters. While this is a quote from a Croat nationalist on another forum.
First of all, if MIG and Fender really wanted to go back to Yugoslavia they wouldn't go back to the Yugoslavia of the late 80s but the one prior to that. So your claim is illogical.
Majority of Croat nationalists only support your cause to spite Serbs, I seriously doubt that they fell some kind of love for Albanians except spiting Serbia. The quote below is from a Croat nationalist on another forum:
Majority of Croats only support Kosovo because they see it as revenge against the Serbs. Majority of Croats have the same opinions of Albanians as Russians have of Caucasus immigrants.
The majority of Croats probably support independence to spite Serbs. That still doesn't mean they like Albanians.
It's idiotic to claim that the actions of government represent the will of the pople. The French were among the first to recognize Kosovo yet the majority of the French public is against independence to Kosovo.
Just because the Swiss recognized Kosovo does not mean they love Albanians. The Swiss hate immigrants and Albanians the most. Hence why under the proposed asylum/deportation law more then half the Albanians would be deported.
Samething with Italy. In Italy the government almost never represents the views of the people. And just because it's government recognized kosovo doesn't mean a thing about the people. The majority of Italians despise Albanians.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 20, 2008 12:28:28 GMT -5
^ where do you find these statistics radovic. I mean did you interview every Croat and Swiss out there? so stop spewing out crap and taking internet forums as skewed statistics to prove something. Internet forums are anonymous. People pretend to be other people and there is a lot of pressure in internet forums to take sides.
Government is a representative of the people. I mean does it strike to you that every single Western country has recognized Kosovo as just mere coindidence? That each single one of them is not representative of what people like to think just to condole yourself? That democracy is not working in the West since they are hijacking what the people like to think or act.
I dont believe that. I think that you find simpletons in internet forums who are against Kosovo's indepedence. They are nothing but a small minority and the educated statesmen[i.e foreign policy politicians] can be the only one who can make an educated guess what their country's interest are.
Also ive noticed that most of Yugonostalgics are young people who werent even born during Yugoslavia or where too young to remember anything. Ive noticed that the older generation 40+ is much more respectful and does not want to go back to the old ways as much since they know what it was really like. Just an observation .
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Post by radovic on Mar 20, 2008 12:44:39 GMT -5
^ where do you find these statistics radovic. I mean did you interview every Croat and Swiss out there? so stop spewing out crap and taking internet forums as skewed statistics to prove something. Internet forums are anonymous. People pretend to be other people and there is a lot of pressure in internet forums to take sides. Italy & Croatia & Slovenia & Switzerland -- personal experience. The government does not represent the people's views, that only occurs in theory. I've stated thwe case of the French and that is based on polls conducted by French newspapers. The majority of French oppose independence, while their government supported it.
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