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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 20, 2008 12:51:30 GMT -5
And since when is a sea a seperation and not a border? do you even read what you write? Tend to dislike. Maybe but thats only the yugonostalgics that tend to dislike Albanians. <ore of them tend to dislike Serbs. There's three types of Croats: Yugonostalgics, Intermediate, Nationalist. Yugonostalgics are like MIG and fender and generally tend to dislike and want to go back to the old ways of being under Serboslavia. Intermediate Croats which is the majority of them are neutral about us and dont care enough. Nationalist and Patriotic Croats like Cikola and LoneRabbit support us. The government of Croatia on the other hand recognized Kosovo's indepedence which clearly shows how most of the people stand. The rest about Swiss and Italians is a lot of Serbian propaganda garbage. Both nations have recognized Kosovo and have helped us in times of need. And if you meat some of them who dislike us, its only natural that you would bump into those kind of people. The people of Croatia never had a chance to vote on whether to recognise Kosovo or not. It was only done in parliament. So my suggestion to you as well is to shut the hell up and research before opening up your mouth. My trigger finger is becoming itchy. They did a survey in Croatia just days before the recognition and 70+ % were for the recognition, and something like 35% said it was too late. So yeah Fender, most Hrvati support us. And if that isn't enough for you, the parliament that voted for us, was voted by the people, and the represent the Croats. So there you have it.
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Post by fannoli on Mar 20, 2008 12:53:43 GMT -5
I guess democracy is only working in the east[russia] and serbia then.
Italy & Croatia & Slovenia -- personal experience. Switzerland -- what Swiss media has reported.
personal experience meaning that you interviewed every italian, croatian and slovenian and then you found out that more than 50% of the people dislike us. That you interviewed more than 30 million Italians who tended to dislike us? Please enlighten me how you did this radovic?
The government doesnot represent the people. I've stated thwe case of the French and that is based on polls conducted by French newspapers. The majority of French oppose independence, while their government supported it.
So the media represents the people now??? Media is prone to lobby groups, pressure politics, money and more. You have no essence to what you say and just prove more that the only people who tend to dislike is mostly the Serbs.
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Post by MiG on Mar 20, 2008 13:43:40 GMT -5
Fannoli, I didn't mean it as an insult calling you a siptar. I call you that because that is what you are, a siptar, are you not.
On another subject, saying that my people are inferior because they have complexes is funny, because when you compare Albania and Croatia, you are nowhere close to being what we are.
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 20, 2008 20:12:14 GMT -5
Your absolutely correct here. There was overwhelming support for kosovo independence and recognition by the Croat public.
Every poll ever conducted in Croatia showed this. In the past week alone, public pressure forced the Government to make the final steps towards recognising the new state.
Most Croats (an overwhelming majority) actually expressed their disgust that the decision wasnt brought earlier.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 20, 2008 20:50:56 GMT -5
Also ive noticed that most of Yugonostalgics are young people who werent even born during Yugoslavia or where too young to remember anything. Ive noticed that the older generation 40+ is much more respectful and does not want to go back to the old ways as much since they know what it was really like. Just an observation . LOL did anyone else notice this tripe?
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Post by Demonel on Mar 20, 2008 21:12:13 GMT -5
There is a considerable number of young people that are nostalgic about Juga but that's hardly the most, besides they are not longing for Jugoslavia per se but for better conditions.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 20, 2008 21:19:07 GMT -5
Exactly, it's actually the old people that are into Jugonostalgia the most. The younger ones only know of the recent war and that just drives them to dislike the opposite republic.
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Post by radovic on Mar 20, 2008 21:20:28 GMT -5
Your absolutely correct here. There was overwhelming support for kosovo independence and recognition by the Croat public. Every poll ever conducted in Croatia showed this. In the past week alone, public pressure forced the Government to make the final steps towards recognising the new state. Most Croats (an overwhelming majority) actually expressed their disgust that the decision wasnt brought earlier. No America & EU urging another round of recognitions caused Serbia's nieghbours to recognize it suddenly. The Croatian people had nothing to do with the decision it was all EU. Notice how Croatian officials soon after independence was declared said, "We will only recognize if majority of EU does?". They didn't say "We will recognize because majority of Croats want a recognition?"
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Post by Fender on Mar 21, 2008 8:24:50 GMT -5
Also ive noticed that most of Yugonostalgics are young people who werent even born during Yugoslavia or where too young to remember anything. Ive noticed that the older generation 40+ is much more respectful and does not want to go back to the old ways as much since they know what it was really like. Just an observation . LOL did anyone else notice this tripe? More guess work from the ill informed professor Fannoli. Wouldn't have a clue.
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Post by Fender on Mar 21, 2008 8:27:11 GMT -5
The people of Croatia never had a chance to vote on whether to recognise Kosovo or not. It was only done in parliament. So my suggestion to you as well is to shut the hell up and research before opening up your mouth. My trigger finger is becoming itchy. They did a survey in Croatia just days before the recognition and 70+ % were for the recognition, and something like 35% said it was too late. So yeah Fender, most Hrvati support us. And if that isn't enough for you, the parliament that voted for us, was voted by the people, and the represent the Croats. So there you have it. A survey is not a vote. A survey is a small sample that in theory is suppose to represent the majority, but has been proven in the past that it can be manipulated. A vote would have been more positive, one way or the other. Then I could have said with confidance that Croatia made its decision on the right information.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 21, 2008 9:40:07 GMT -5
Didn't the vote put the guys that are in the parliament in the parliament?
But yeah Cikola, it is a known fact that the Croats supported our case, even before the Yugoslav wars started. (croatia and slovenia both, wanted kosovo to have the same rights as everyone else in YU)
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Post by Fender on Mar 21, 2008 10:05:47 GMT -5
Didn't the vote put the guys that are in the parliament in the parliament? But yeah Cikola, it is a known fact that the Croats supported our case, even before the Yugoslav wars started. (croatia and slovenia both, wanted kosovo to have the same rights as everyone else in YU) The party in government now barely got across the line. They needed to go into coalition with the Serb party, whats your point. On your second point, its only your imagination that that ever occured. I would like to see some empirical data on your claim, but I will state up front that you don't have any because it doesn't exist. In short, don't fabricate realities that never existed. If what you say is correct, then the other states would have prevented Serbia from changing its constitution back in the late 80's, but that didn't happen, did it.
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Post by MiG on Mar 21, 2008 12:29:11 GMT -5
Didn't the vote put the guys that are in the parliament in the parliament? But yeah Cikola, it is a known fact that the Croats supported our case, even before the Yugoslav wars started. (croatia and slovenia both, wanted kosovo to have the same rights as everyone else in YU) Where did you get this idea? BTW, everyone that I know who is from any Former SFRJ Republic think that Kosovo independence is stupid. But whatever, eventually things will equalize/balance themselves.
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Post by albaniansoul on Mar 30, 2008 12:18:24 GMT -5
"Italy & Croatia & Slovenia & Switzerland -- personal experience." Italy and Switzerland - Personal experience here as well. My experience says that you're a liar. Prove me wrong?
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Mar 31, 2008 4:06:26 GMT -5
There is a considerable number of young people that are nostalgic about Juga but that's hardly the most, besides they are not longing for Jugoslavia per se but for better conditions. Exactly, i loved Yugoslavia too, i know it will never be like it was, but let ut use the good stuff from the old times, we can have bratsvo and jedinstvo in form of neighbours respect, everyone would have its borders but we could respect eachother... EU i think is something like bratstvo and jedinstvo when all the countrys are in it..
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Post by Pejoni on Mar 31, 2008 7:09:01 GMT -5
Croatia's Foreign Minister Gordan Jandrokovic, left, shakes hands with Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci, right, at the informal two-day EU foreign ministers meeting in Brdo Pri Kranju, Slovenia, Saturday, March 29, 2008
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Post by Trazi Vise on Mar 31, 2008 12:30:53 GMT -5
You can respect your neighbour without having what we had before, and respect ones borders. It's about knowing who you are.
Our Foreign Minister is one handsome man.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 31, 2008 13:41:02 GMT -5
Exactly illyria, this is how we can live in peace at last. Everyone has their country, everyone is happy, and now we can build on good relations and join the EU together and live as one big family.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 1, 2008 13:26:32 GMT -5
When I say neighbour, I mean your next door neighbour, not just your next neighbouring countries. Show some respect, but live your life. Don't meddle with them too much; when war comes you will know who you are.
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