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Post by MiG on Aug 4, 2008 13:48:14 GMT -5
No it's not hyperthetical, if you look at ALL wars over the last 200 years the same thing happens. Yes if I was a civilian and somehow there was no way out except to kill someone, perhaps I would have to do it also. No one can answer my question, because everyone is blinded; and refuses to acknowledge the facts that civilians; not thoose who choose to kill, are those you are killed and murdered for no reason whatsoever. So again, why would you choose a made up society such as the military that chooses to kill? How was that not a hypothetical question though? Anyways, why do you say that its blind? Your statement makes no sense. It's like trying to turn on your car, and it doesn't want to, and yet it has no reason not to work. In the last 200 years, the civilian death ratio in wars went up from 1-9 to 7-10 now. So I have no idea how you could connect the Military with Murder. Why not connect Rebel Factions, Warlords, Illegal Armed Organizations, Terrorist Factions, and not the Military with that. There is such a difference between a Professional Army, and people who aim to kill. You made little sense to me with some statements, as you have no idea how it is, and you base that on what you've maybe read or seen in a movie, or somewhere else, but I know for a fact you have no personal touch with such an experience as war. Maybe you were in the military, I don't know (It doesn't seem to me like you were), but being in the military and serving your nation is something that is honorable, and respectful. If its not for these people putting their asses on the front line, entire nations would fall. But they're just simple murderers in your eyes I guess, as its premeditated, even though most of them didn't take part in any combat (unless its UN peacekeeping).
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Post by Zvone on Aug 4, 2008 14:27:13 GMT -5
So if a person comes at you shooting a gun and the only way not to die was to shoot back, then that would still be murder? Pfft, yeah....
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Post by Trazi Vise on Aug 4, 2008 23:49:59 GMT -5
Yep MiG they are all just as bad as eachother, the terrorists using violence for thei cause, and the military for using violence as the only means against them. I will give u an old 2004 ref to the East Timorese President when I find it, trying to use other mean with the terrorists. It nevers works... but hey worth a try, naturally you can't help men can u when they just want to kill?
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Post by MiG on Aug 5, 2008 1:05:04 GMT -5
^ To some a terrorist is a terrorist, but to others he is a freedom fighter who stands by a just cause. When it boils down to it, your opinion is yours, and mine is mine. I will always think that being in the military is honorable, and you will always think that its evil.
BTW, how else do you fight terrorism, please them and appease them? If its anything history has taught us, its that you cannot appease your enemy, as he will only betray your agreement (The name Adolf Hitler comes to mind).
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Post by Trazi Vise on Aug 5, 2008 4:24:49 GMT -5
Agree 100%...about the military though, please don't be sure that they are always 100% honourable. I think we should finish the convo, I hate hijacking topics.
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Post by MiG on Aug 5, 2008 19:47:30 GMT -5
^ Ma nema veze bona. But how do you conclude that it isn't 100% honorable? To those serving, it is.
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Post by Anthologic on Aug 5, 2008 20:28:06 GMT -5
More ass pics plz
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Post by markosijekira on Aug 5, 2008 22:15:59 GMT -5
"There is such a difference between a Professional Army, and people who aim to kill" I totally agree with you Mig, but lets not forget that there were plenty of Armies that had killing of Civilians as standing orders, Austro Hungarians in 1914/15 come to mind (other then the obvious German, NDH thing) and Soviet forces in Germany (mass rape) 1945 and in Afghanistan. But how would someone react, say had they lived in 1942, and half their family just got shot by the Germans, would they just give in, give up, or take to the woods and kill as many of the kraut bastards as they can. Revenge, is a powerful intoxicator, it drives nations mad, let alone individuals. Or more recently, It’s hard to blame a man/woman to be hateful, if a serb/croat/bosniak came to his/her village and raped killed his wife/mother/father/husband. It's a simplistic argument, but then again we are a primitive species. But never mind that, back to mighty croat women
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Post by MiG on Aug 6, 2008 0:26:38 GMT -5
Isn't there a thread dedicated to Croat women?
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Post by markosijekira on Aug 6, 2008 1:24:32 GMT -5
er there I was thinking, i was in the Croat woman forum, my bad ;D whatever she is still hot!!
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Post by Anthologic on Aug 6, 2008 1:27:40 GMT -5
Wow nothing more attractive than a woman sewing............
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Post by terroreign on Aug 6, 2008 3:36:10 GMT -5
Face down ass up that's the way we like to [insert verb]
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Post by SKORIC on Aug 6, 2008 7:52:00 GMT -5
Wow nothing more attractive than a woman sewing............ ROFL
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Post by MiG on Aug 6, 2008 13:08:45 GMT -5
er there I was thinking, i was in the Croat woman forum, my bad ;D whatever she is still hot!! True say on that.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Aug 7, 2008 8:30:48 GMT -5
It's not honourable as they are told to fly to kill people with various means whether it is planes, drop bombs and shoot at people bez veze... and the reason why they join is usually because they are brainwashed thinking they are defending something. Well if you have no reason to defend in the first place; then we don't need the military right? If no one hates you...we don't need a military "just in case" Please don't make yourself look dumb as I know you are not MiG :-)
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Post by Zvone on Aug 7, 2008 11:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by markosijekira on Aug 7, 2008 23:53:06 GMT -5
" Well if you have no reason to defend in the first place; then we don't need the military right? If no one hates you...we don't need a military "just in case" Please don't make yourself look dumb as I know you are not MiG" Thank god for your wisdom, someone quickly inform the Israelis, they can lay down their weapons ;D You know, Tibet had no army, then the Chinese came bearing gifts Your ideology of none violence is about as realistic to achieve anytime soon as Karl Marx’s equality of the proletariat. War isn’t necessarily about hate, its about the things I want that you have and vice versa, resources, power, prestige, ideology, religion, all these things are as old as human civilization. Before there was nation states, flags and anthems, people still fought, for their lord, for their god, for power, loot, or just survival. Pacifism is a noble pursuit, but unless the whole of humanity starts to believe like you do... And perhaps a great day will come, when a people distinguished by war and victory, by the highest development of military organization and intelligence, and accustomed to making the gravest sacrifices to these things, will voluntarily exclaim, “We will break the sword into pieces”—and will demolish its entire military machine down to its deepest foundations. To disarm while being the best armed, as an expression of elevated feelings—that is the means to real peace, which must always rest on a disposition toward peace: whereas so-called “armed peace,” such as the one that parades around in every country nowadays, is a disposition toward hostility which trusts neither itself nor its neighbor and, partly out of hatred, partly out of fear, refuses to put down its weapons. - Friedrich NietzscheNietzsche nailed it right there, this willingness to put down arms, but the problem with humans is we can’t agree on anything and mistrust each other, unless all put down their swords together, nobody will make the first move.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Aug 8, 2008 2:01:29 GMT -5
The Israelis are the worst out of the all and are the best prepared of any nation for any warfare. Gee, I wonder why? :-)
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Post by Anthologic on Aug 10, 2008 4:26:56 GMT -5
Here's the hottest athlete in my opinion; This was like 3 years ago, she's fat now.
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Post by Zvone on Aug 10, 2008 11:19:59 GMT -5
Allison Stokke is pretty hot.
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