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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 22:01:27 GMT -5
^ stop crying and do some reading. Ive read plenty and i shed no tears. In a way i thank you serbs for being so mentally insane and capable of the crimes you have committed, if it werent for your heinous ways we never would have achieved what we did. On the other hand if you behaved like humans you never would have lost Kosovo, who do you blame for your loss? Yourselves or the western world conspiracy to destroy Serbia? Serbs need to reflect on their actions, its your fault and your fault alone.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 21:41:28 GMT -5
I already have, nothing new. I realise you are a serb and you will have your opinions and method of denying how insane you guys are and what atrocities a so called christian population can commit on their fellow man. Where as the majority of the world, press, ngo's and the albanians have their opinions on how mentally ill you guys are.. To each their own.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 21:35:35 GMT -5
You a madman. The one German guy? Ya he came out the most recently, in a televised interview on a Germany's most popular network. Meaning; the truth has hit the mainstream, face it. He's not the only one, many people on the "American-side" came out, tons more from the UN and a lot more from Human Rights Watch organisations. What else do you call it, a bar brawl? You didn't even argue using logic, so I am not sure if you know what logic means. Many more? Post links, for every one person who says it didnt happen, there are 50 who say it did. Just as you have people whom deny the holocaust. I would say it didnt happen, why would i say this, because i know the mountain range between Western Kosovo and Northern Albanian Mountains well, and at that time after the civil unrest in 97, and in the time frame of the allegations, the roads infrastructure would not allow the transportation of organs in time. Im not saying the 100-300 serbs whom are missing didnt die at the hands of Albanians, im sure they did. But when you look at the ratio of dead and missing, Serbs didnt fare badly in those two conflicts in comparisons to Bosnians and Albanians. Why do you guys whine so much? Its not like anyone but you really cares of a handful of dead serbs, to thousands and thousands of murders serbs committed .... Only once you come to terms with the heinous nature of your actions can reconciliation begin.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 21:20:26 GMT -5
WOOOAWW 100 000 muslims dead? where did you find this maginificent number? You're forgetting those numbers include Serbs as well. As many were unidentified. How do you explain the 250 000 displaced Serbs from Kosovo within 2 days? Or there abouts, serbs victims were few and far between in bosnia. Your army had an overwhelming advantage in force. 250k serbs knew what they had coming with the return of the Albanians in Kosovo, the overwhelming majority left from their own accord albeit their sence of guilt and fear. There is much documented about this. Footage also.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 21:09:19 GMT -5
'Off' how? I dont play video games. All you need to know is that the Kosovo war has been debunked. The truth is out. No more lies. Debunked how? That one German says one of the initial massacres was an armed conflict and not cold hearted murder? As you Serbs can surely attest, everyone has the right to their own opinion. The facts remain you Serbs went on a tyrrant rampage and killed over a hundred thousand, of which you either deny and never appologise for, yet you scream blue murder for alleged organ trafficking of less than 300? Do you see your logic or lack there of? An inconvenient truth is you convenient denial.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 21:03:27 GMT -5
^There were 2,000 bodies found (both Serb and Albanian, soldier and civilian) in Kosvo after more than a decade of forensic investigation. And the organ theft was conducted against civilians. And what difference would it make if it was soldiers? It's still a disgusting act, a crime, and should be punished accordingly. Incorrect by 2000 they had found 2788, 2001 800 found near belgrade in poilice training grounds, 700 found in belgrade anti terrorist unit grounds, 50 bodies in perucac. The numbers still missing around 2000. Do you think the rest will be found hidden within Serbia? I wont even get into the numbers of bosnia, a conflict which saw different tactics used by the Serb army, in bosnia it was kill at will, with evidence of such atrocities Nato started bombing, in KS it was different they adopted a method of forced displacement thinking Nato wouldnt intervene, the reduced number of dead was to terrorise the local population into leaving and not extermination as used in bosnia leaving at least 100 000 bosnian muslims dead.. In both conflicts millions displaced.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 18:35:13 GMT -5
Uneducated you say, offensive you say. What is uneducated or offensive about bringing to attention the hundreds of thousands murdered, in both Serbian offences (kosovo and bosnia) the millions displaced. When you have 'your' educated people beating their chest about alleged 100-300 Serb men whom may or may not have been victims of organ trafficking? Nice one Vinjak, good to see fair arbitration and moderation of posts being conducted. A missed opportunity.
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 6:18:30 GMT -5
Misquoting Jesus? Or Misquoting those which quoted/misquoted Jesus?
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Post by ralphtpika on Mar 2, 2012 5:36:22 GMT -5
And, suppose they were 5, how many supporters do the sitars have around the World to join the bunch of kidney e liver transplant killers? All the sips had was the corrupted CIA officials and the bloodthirsty leaders of the USA cause, as for the masses of the american nation no one would ever join in a rally for Kosovo and Metohija. Every Government across EU and World knows that the intervention into Serbian's Affair and land invasion was wrong and, today we see that only the puppet government obey USA to recognize Kosmet but, even these recognitions are destined to doom soon, the same as Taiwan's. Zivjeo Srbija! Nije Kosovo- Kosovo je Srbija! Alleged organ trade/theft of how many? 100-300 serb men (militia/armed forces/police/psych patients)? If you knew sh-t about sh-t, transporting organs is a game of minutes. If only you knew the terrain, and the roads infrastructure in the mountainous regions of northern Albania, where a trip to the nearest airport, (rinas, tirana) would take in excess of 8 hours, coupled with limited air connections in an air space which was then controlled by nato, the realistic notion of organ trafficking would seem extremely unlikely, unless the organs were harvested in Tirana or Fushe Kruje you couldnt have been able to get the organs out of Albania, onto a plane, to Turkey, all through the relevant customs checks, and into Israeli and Saudi patients waiting on the other end. Tally up the time it would take for such a logistical nightmare? If you did, you would find there would be many dead recipients waiting on the other end of this organ trafficking scheme. ---Edit---- Uneducated and offensive comments not welcome
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Post by ralphtpika on Feb 18, 2012 0:03:11 GMT -5
^Highlanders give their children names of their grandfathers... Albanian toponyms in Bosnia! That's a laugh! Shejtani if tribal society is so albanian, please explain to me why we Serbs have 'round 50 tribes, and the Albanophone tribes are about 7? And Clement could also be an orthodox slav name too, for example Clement of Ohrid en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_OhridClement is in Latin Clemens as in... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_IAs with everything slav, it comes later.
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Post by ralphtpika on Feb 17, 2012 22:58:33 GMT -5
and circle-dancing is slavic, greeks & byzantines adopted it after the slavic migrations. So when exactly do you claim slavs came in contact and influenced the ancient greeks and ancient peoples form of dance?
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Post by ralphtpika on Feb 16, 2012 20:09:54 GMT -5
Thanking you Shqipni13, its a pleasure, i'm new here so it is i which is looking forward to hear what all have to say. Kuci's as far as im concerned are some of our most recent mongrel sell-outs. No loss as the above mentioned has been so kind to demonstrate.
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Post by ralphtpika on Feb 16, 2012 19:48:03 GMT -5
arvanites, albanized greeks- they're just greek! hmmm, How does that work? Does that mean the Arbreshe are Albaniized Italians? Croats, Slovenes, Montes, Serbs, Maco's, Illyrianized Slavs? Americans, Native American Indianized peoples from all over the world? Its a pleasure to make your acquaintance, i see you have a well functioning brain in your cranium. There is hope for serbs after all. PS, Who will read all of that? Those whom wish to further understand the legitimate grievances of the Albanian population in Monte. Whether they care or not is another story and entirely their own prerogative.
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Post by ralphtpika on Feb 16, 2012 4:14:16 GMT -5
Montenegro: An Apartheid State in the Heart of Europe
Albanian American Civic League Delegation Conducts a Fact-Finding Mission
to Montenegro with Congressman Tom Lantos
by Shirley Cloyes DioGuardi
From July 31 to August 4, the Albanian American Civic League, with the support of the Patriotic Association of Kraja and Shoqata Ana e Malit, conducted a fact-finding mission to the Albanian communities in Montenegro with Congressman Tom Lantos and his wife, Annette. The delegation was the realization of a Civic League plan to begin the internationalization of the plight of Albanians in Montenegro that was launched more than a year ago in Washington. It did not come a moment too soon. As we quickly discovered, the state-sponsored effort of the Montenegrin Slav majority to either drive out or assimilate the Albanian population in Montenegro is not the stuff of history, but a contemporary and shocking reality that threatens the very existence of Albanians in Montenegro. Fueled by a virulent anti-Albanian racism, this effort also threatens the political and economic future of Montenegro as part of a united Europe.
After hearing testimony from Albanian experts and activists in Ulqin, Ana e Malit, Kraja, and Tuzi, Annette Lantos, who works with the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, observed that, in its racist treatment of Albanians, “Montenegro is a hundred years behind the rest of Europe.†Based on what he heard and saw, Congressman Lantos described his feeling as “one of outrage that in the twenty-first century civilized people living in Europe could be discriminated against so profoundly simply because they want to maintain their linguistic, cultural, and ethnic heritage.†He stated that, along with his friends Joe DioGuardi and Shirley Cloyes, he was “both emotionally and intellectually committed†to helping the Albanian people in Montenegro, and he vowed to “deal with their problems at the highest levels in Washington.â€
The two main purposes of the trip were to see firsthand the conditions in which Albanians in Montenegro live today and to bring this information back to the U.S. Congress, so that the Civic League, working with Congressman Lantos, can develop a solution that will give Albanians full economic, political, and cultural equality with Montenegrin Slavs. Just as he played a critical role in internationalizing the Albanian issue in Kosova, Tom Lantos is now prepared to do the same for Albanians in Montenegro.
The members of the delegation included Albanian American Civic League President, former Congressman Joe DioGuardi, Balkan Affairs Adviser Shirley Cloyes DioGuardi, and Board members Luan Bukolla, Gjergj Dedvukaj, Adem Dukaj, Sadri Gjonbalaj, and Marash Nuculaj; Xhevat Kraja (vice-president) and Adem Cukaj of the Patriotic Association of Kraja; and Xheladin Zeneli (vice-president) of the Shoqata Ana e Malit. Faton Bislimi, student coordinator for the Civic League from Kosova, acted as the delegation’s official translator.
While Congressman Lantos flew to Budapest to celebrate his 75th birthday in his country of origin, some of the members of the delegation traveled to Prishtina to hold a press conference on August 5 about our findings in Montenegro. Shortly thereafter, we were fortunate to meet with Azem Hajdini, one of the few living survivors of the 1945 massacre of 4,300 anti-fascist Albanian soldiers in Tivar, Montenegro, by Serbian and Montenegrin military forces. Hajdini, who has published a comprehensive account of the massacre, explained how for years no one was allowed to speak about this tragedy under threat of death. He expressed his concern that Albanians in Montenegro and throughout the Balkans will continue to risk expulsion and extermination unless we demand change.
Forced Immigration, Confiscation of Land, and Forced Assimilation
In addition to a hidden history of genocide against the Albanians of Montenegro, which began with the first annexation of Albanian land to Montenegro in 1878, there has been a continuous pattern of forced immigration, confiscation of land, and forced assimilation. The delegation encountered these realities from Ulqin to Tuzi and also in Plave-Gusija, where part of the group concluded our fact-finding mission.
Historian Riza Rexha explained that ever since the socalled Great Powers at the Conference of Berlin placed Albanians under Montenegrin control, the effort to censor Albanian speech, behavior, and cultural _expression and to Slavicize Albanians, beginning with appending their last names with the Slavic suffix “-ic†at birth, has proceeded apace. According to Rexha, “Albanians face the same issues that they have faced for the past 123 years.†As a result, today half the population of Albanians from Montenegro lives in the United States and Western Europe.
He also described a parallel strategy that consists of moving Montenegrins into Albanian communities to change their ethnic composition and political structures. Some of the most egregious examples of confiscating Albanian land and moving Montenegrins into Albanian-populated areas to change the demographics have occurred and are occurring in Tuzi. We learned from Anton Lajcaj, an unemployed professor in Tuzi, that within the next year, 1,200 Slavs will be placed in factories and given apartments on confiscated land between Tuzi and Podgorica. At the same time, the government has confiscated land owned by Slavs on the outskirts of Podgorica for the purpose of building a prison. They have promised the aggrieved landowners that they will be recompensed with 60,000 square meters of Albanian land. The government is also in the midst of seizing miles of property along Lake Shkodra, to which Albanians have held title for generations, ostensibly to establish a national park. When Congressman Lantos asked what kind of compensation Albanians receive from the government for their land, Anton Lajcaj responded that they receive none whatsoever and any protest is met with imprisonment and persecution.
Tuzi has also been physically divided by the building of a military base and a garbage dump that is subjecting Albanian children to disease. Lajcaj stated that “Montenegrin policies violate all European human rights conventions and that, if they continue, the entire Albanian population will either flee or be assimilated.â€
While Congressman and Mrs. Lantos and the members of our delegation were powerfully impacted by the insight and courage of the Albanians whom we met in Montenegro, we were vividly aware that the state’s policies have already succeeded in assimilating many Albanians, who no longer speak their mother tongue. Some Albanians have gone so far as to join Montenegrin political parties, and others still have actively collaborated with the government’s security forces and special police in monitoring and repressing the Albanian population.
Education as an Instrument of Assimilation and Forced Immigration
The delegation asked the president (Petrit Gjokaj) and the vice-president (Nik Gjeloshaj) of the national Albanian Student Association, as well as the branch leaders, to meet with us in Ulqin. Because there is no higher education in the Albanian language, all attend university outside Montenegro. The Association, which has 700 members, came into being only recently to oppose assimilation and to help students to cope with an educational system that is designed for them to fail. Petrit and Nik spoke of the intense pressure on Albanian students to forget their identity and history and to shun political activity. In response, the Association is calling for Albanian-language education through high school and a curriculum that teaches Albanian history and culture. Currently, Albanian language instruction exists only through elementary school, but even this is not universal. Increasingly, Serbo-Croatian is the language of instruction at all levels (students are forced to translate Serbo-Croatian textbooks into Albanian), and the curriculum is completely devoted to Serbian and Montenegrin culture and history. Petrit Gjokaj also said that the Student Association was working with all student bodies in Montenegro to further the political cause of Albanians.
Because Albanians make up only seven to ten percent of Montenegro’s population, the students pointed out that by European standards, they could not expect to Montenegro to build an Albanian-language university. However, they said that they should be able to enroll in universities in Kosova, Albania, and Macedonia without interference, and they said that an Albanian-language teachers’ college should be established in Montenegro to train future elementary and secondary school teachers. They told the story of how the proposed teachers’ college is being systematically undermined by both Montenegrin and Albanian politicians. The government has offered to build a teachers’ college in Niksic, which is deep inside Slav territory and therefore inaccessible to most Albanians. Albanian political parties, meanwhile, instead of uniting to oppose the location in Niksic, are fighting among themselves over the placement of the college on Albanian land. The result is a deadlock that threatens the future of Albanian education in Montenegro.
Students who have the economic means to attend university abroad often find that they are unable to return to Montenegro, because the state will not recognize their degrees and therefore they cannot get jobs. But some Albanian students never even make it to high school. For example, we learned from historian Ismail Doda, as we stood next to the statue of Skanderbeg funded by the Patriotic Association of Kraja, that students from Kraja are forced to move to Ulqin or to take a long bus ride there to attend high school. Many cannot afford to do either.
Nail Draga, president of the Association of Artists and Intellectuals in Ulqin and a school principal who recently has been removed from his job by the Montenegrin government, told the Civic League delegation that, “Although Montenegro is multinational, and therefore multicultural, Montenegrin culture dominates.†He said that, “To this day the Montenegrin government has not financed a single Albanian cultural or scientific project.â€
Economic Underdevelopment and Unemployment as an Instrument of Forced Immigration
Nowhere is it more apparent that anti-Albanian racism negatively impacts both Albanians and Montenegrins than in the area of the economy. Ulqin, a stunningly beautiful Illyrian city dating back to the Bronze Age, is a major tourist destination on the Adriatic Sea. The city is more than 80 percent Albanian, and a large number of the tourists who visit Ulqin are Albanian. Although the central government in Podgorica takes most of the profits from tourism in Ulqin, depriving the municipality of the funds that it needs to operate properly, it refuses to develop Ulqin’s infrastructure because it is an Albanian-majority area. The result is that Podgorica deprives all of Montenegro of urgently needed capital through a well-developed tourist industry.
The delegation learned that sixty percent of Ulqin is made up of the younger generation of Albanians because there are jobs in tourism and in the municipal government. However, in Ana e Malit, Kraja, Tuzi, and Plave-Gusija, the older generation predominates because of the lack of jobs and infrastructure. In Kraja, historian Ali Gjecbritaj informed our group that in 1991, 4,000 people lived there, but that today only 2,000 live in Kraja because there are no jobs, no running water (in spite of the town’s proximity to Lake Shkodra), and no access to the Internet. Muhamet Gjokaj, a lawyer in Tuzi, explained that ever since Tuzi, the Albanian-majority center of the Malesia region, was stripped of its autonomy in 1957 as a municipality and was subsumed under Podgorica, its economy and infrastructure have deteriorated to the point that more than half of the Albanian population has immigrated elsewhere.
In one of the most poignant moments of our travel through Montenegro, Gjokaj revealed the extent of the poverty, including no running water, minimal electricity, and no phone lines, in Albanian villages in the region. This is the case in Dinosha, the largest Albanian village in the area, which is only three miles from the capital of Podgorica and in which 1,500 people live. When Congressman Lantos asked how many Montenegrin villages were similarly afflicted, the answer was “none.†Ominously, Gjokaj stated that, “The call for a Tuzi commune, along with any move for improvement by Albanians, is deemed to be the work of a ‘separatist movement,’ and that the Montenegrin government is now passing laws to prevent Albanian municipal control permanently. Our delegation learned that the European Union has done nothing to stop this unfolding tragedy.
Lack of Adequate Healthcare as an Instrument of Assimilation and Forced Immigration
As explained above, Albanian names are changed at birth to appear Slavic. This is accomplished because none of the maternity wards in Montenegro are run or staffed by Albanian doctors and nurses.
Dr. Sime Dobreci informed our delegation that there has been no financial investment in the healthcare system in any Albanian areas in Montenegro for the past twenty years. The majority of Albanians in Montenegro have no access to healthcare and, where they do, their interaction with the healthcare system is conducted in Serbo-Croatian. The hospital in Ulqin is a bleak, ill-equipped facility, and this is where tourists, not just residents, are treated for disease and injury.
The delegation visited the clinic in Ana e Malit, one of Montenegro’s few Albanian clinics. Only two doctors serve 10,000 inhabitants, and both commute from Ulqin, returning home at 7:00 p.m. each evening. From Dr. Zulfie Duraku, we learned that the government finances the education of Montenegrin Slav medical students but no Albanian students. (She financed her own education at the age of 38.) Dr. Duraku observed that the clinic in Ana e Malit is “exactly the way that it was when she was born,†and that it receives almost no funds from the government.
The Criminal Justice System and the Military as Instruments of Political Repression
Lawyer Gezim Kalavrezi gave our delegation a detailed account of the criminal justice system in Montenegro, where “the principle of equal rights under the law is not practiced and where what is written in the Constitution is not implemented,†he said. For example, the law that states that minorities have a right to use their language in spoken and written form is never implemented. All court procedures are conducted in Serbo-Croatian and then translated. According to Kalavrezi, the translation is often poor to the point that citizens’ rights are abrogated. None of the judges in the Supreme Court or in the prosecutor’s office are Albanian.
During his presentation to our delegation, Professor Anton Lajcaj disclosed that he was one of 300 Albanians, from 18 to 35 years of age (many, like Lajcaj, with a wife and children), who had just received call-up notices to report to a military base deep inside Serbia on September 3. This conscription of Albanians in Montenegro is being advertised as a “multiethnic†endeavor by the state, now that Albanians and Slavs “are no longer in conflict.†And yet, historically, Albanians have been subject to gross racism and brutality in the armies of the former Yugoslavia under Serbian and Montenegrin command.
Conclusion
The situation for Albanians in Montenegro is dire. As Nail Draga stated during our visit,“the Montenegrin government ‘recognizes’ its problems when international delegations visit, but in practice they never do anything.†The prevailing mentality in the government is deeply racist and still in the throes of Communism. Draga believes that the problem of human and civil rights for Albanians in Montenegro can be solved only through diplomatic intervention by the United States and the European Union. The members of the Civic League delegation are dedicated to working with Congressman Lantos to internationalize the plight of Albanians in Montenegro. We will not support the independence of Montenegro unless the Albanian population receives full economic, political, and cultural rights. And we will vigorously oppose the admission of Serbia and Montenegro into the European Union and NATO until both are willing to recognize and protect the ethnic legitimacy of Albanians, to renounce a hundred years of ethnic cleansing and genocide, and to embrace democracy and the rule of law.
Shirley Cloyes DioGuardi is Balkan Affairs Adviser to the Albanian American Civic League.
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