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Post by Sokol on Sept 14, 2018 0:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Sept 13, 2018 18:13:12 GMT -5
Ukraine in 2001 used to be Russian. Russia refused military assistance to Macedonia in 2001.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 13, 2018 18:08:37 GMT -5
two saxon bimbos fight for independence against almighty and fearless Serbian and Russian Empires.... makes sense... lol @ Serbian Empire More like statelet...
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 17:03:09 GMT -5
this will happen if you ally with saxons: Doesn’t Belgrade have similar marches? Does the Serbian lesbian PM participate in these marches?
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:31:27 GMT -5
the archbishopric of ohrid was a bulgarian patriarchate, although these intstitutions were not ethnic. Which is why the Macedonian Church should not be under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Church. The Serbian Church should not have opposed the attempted move to make the Bulgarian Church the mother Church of the Macedonian Church last year.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:19:01 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/113534.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH MEETS WITH ARCHBISHOP OF ATHENS TO DISCUSS UKRAINE AND MACEDONIAAthens, June 6, 2018 His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew met with His Beatitude Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens at his Athenian residence yesterday to discuss, among other issues, the controversial ongoing questions surrounding the Ukrainian and Macedonian schismatic churches. The patriarch is in Greece for the ecological symposium “Toward a Greener Attica—Preserving the Planet and Protecting its People.” He also headed the glorification of St. Iakovos (Tsalikis) of Evia on the Greek island on Saturday and Sunday. At their meeting, the Constantinople and Greek primates discussed the hot-button issue of the possibility of the granting of a tomos of autocephaly to a united Ukrainian church, made up of the schismatic hierarchs of the “Kiev Patriarchate” and of the “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.” With the backing of the nation’s parliament and the schismatic hierarchs, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko recently appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to create and grant autocephaly to a new Ukrainian Church that would be separate from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate later announced that it would initiate a dialogue on the matter with the other Orthodox Churches of the world. While no details of yesterday’s conversation are available, Abp. Ieronymos expressed a neutral attitude to the issue at an earlier meeting with Constantinople representatives, stating only that it is a significant issue that would have to be taken up by the Bishops’ Council of the Greek Orthodox Church in October. The Ecumenical Patriarchate’s delegation responded that “in any case, the process [of Constantinople proclaiming autocephaly] will continue.” Pat. Bartholomew and Abp. Ieronymos also discussed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox church, which reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia, from which the Macedonian church initially schismed, and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Pat. Bartholomew has publicly asserted Constantinople’s role as the Mother Church of all Balkan nations. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well, which resolved at its May 30 session to take up this issue and take appropriate measures “under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.” Ukrainian and Macedonian church never historically existed. The UOC is the descendant of the Metropolis of Kiev and all Rus, and the MOC is the descendant of the Ohrid Archishopric.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:13:14 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/115664.htmlCONSTANTINOPLE SEES NO THREAT OF SCHISM DUE TO UKRAINIAN AUTOCEPHALY
Constantinople, September 11, 2018 The Patriarchate of Constantinople sees no threat of a schism in the case of granting autocephaly to Ukraine, as Churches now live “in an era of communication and information, and any problems can be discussed in detail,” His Eminence Metropolitan Emmanuel of Gaul said in a recent interview with the Greek newspaper Ethnos, reports RIA-Novosti. His statement comes, however, after the Russian Church has already announced that it would break communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate if it grants autocephaly. As the newspaper notes, Met. Emmanuel is considered one of His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew’s closest and most trusted collaborators. He attended the August 31st meeting between Pat. Bartholomew and His Holiness Patriarch Kirill, though he declined to divulge the content of their meeting. “With the April 2nd decision of the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the intention of the Mother-Constantinopolitan Church to accept the request of the Ukrainian people for autocephaly became known. From that moment began the process of informing the other autocephalous Orthodox Churches, and also of the differing position of the Moscow Patriarchate in relation to the proclamation of Ukrainian autocephaly,” Met. Emmanuel stated. The Ecumenical Patriarchate initially announced in late April that it had “decided to closely communicate and coordinate with its sister Orthodox Churches concerning this matter.” However, as those sister Churches soon found, the purpose of the visits of the Constantinople representatives was not to dialogue and coordinate, but rather to inform that Constantinople would be granting autocephaly, even without the support of a single Local Church. Nevertheless, the same Met. Emmanuel told Russian Church officials in May that Constantinople would not be granting autocephaly. Although the Ecumenical Patriarchate is now claiming that Ukraine is within its canonical jurisdiction, it recently appointed two new exarch bishops of Kiev, setting up another ecclesiastical structure there. The Russian and canonical Ukrainian Churches have protested this move, with the Russian Church announcing that it would break communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate if it grants autocephaly to the Ukrainian schismatics. Asked whether the decision to grant autocephaly would affect Constantinople’s relations with the largest Orthodox Church in the world, Met. Emmanuel said that the Phanar does not act on the basis of its own interests or political pressure. “All problems will be solved, and we will never reach such radical divisions and isolation,” Met. Emmanuel added, apparently without regard to the Russian Church’s own statement. The metropolitan did not stipulate when the tomos of autocephaly would finally be given, but affirmed that “the Patriarchate of Constantinople does not intend to postpone the solution of the Ukrainian problem, and … this is a priority.”
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:10:27 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/115661.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH WILL NOT RECOGNIZE MACEDONIAN CHURCH AS LONG AS IT USES TITLE “MACEDONIAN”
Constantinople, September 11, 2018 The Ecumenical Patriarchate addressed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox Church at its recent Synaxis of Hierarchs, held in Constantinople from September 1-4. His All-Holiness Patriarch Bartholomew responded to the request for recognition of the Macedonian Orthodox Church with a categorical “no,” as long as the Church title contains the name “Macedonia” or any derivate thereof, reports Romfea. The Macedonian Church, which formed as a schism form the Serbian Orthodox Church in 1967, reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. However, the Bulgarian Church has repeatedly affirmed that it will not cause a schism in the Orthodox world over the Macedonian issue. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well for the regularization of its canonical status, to which it responded that it would take up the issue and take appropriate measures ““under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.” Pat. Bartholomew stressed his opposition to the use of the title “Macedonian” in his introductory speech to the Synaxis of Hierarchs of the Ecumenical Throne on September 1, addressed in particular to the metropolitans of Macedonia and Thrace who, though bishops of the Greek Orthodox Church, also participate in the Constantinopolitan Synaxis of Hierarchs. The Ecumenical Patriarch said in particular, “I ask my brothers who serve in Macedonia [meaning the Macedonian region of Greece—O.C.] to transfer my patriarchal message to their flock.”
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 1:08:38 GMT -5
orthochristian.com/113534.htmlECUMENICAL PATRIARCH MEETS WITH ARCHBISHOP OF ATHENS TO DISCUSS UKRAINE AND MACEDONIAAthens, June 6, 2018 His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew met with His Beatitude Archbishop Ieronymos of Athens at his Athenian residence yesterday to discuss, among other issues, the controversial ongoing questions surrounding the Ukrainian and Macedonian schismatic churches. The patriarch is in Greece for the ecological symposium “Toward a Greener Attica—Preserving the Planet and Protecting its People.” He also headed the glorification of St. Iakovos (Tsalikis) of Evia on the Greek island on Saturday and Sunday. At their meeting, the Constantinople and Greek primates discussed the hot-button issue of the possibility of the granting of a tomos of autocephaly to a united Ukrainian church, made up of the schismatic hierarchs of the “Kiev Patriarchate” and of the “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.” With the backing of the nation’s parliament and the schismatic hierarchs, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko recently appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to create and grant autocephaly to a new Ukrainian Church that would be separate from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate later announced that it would initiate a dialogue on the matter with the other Orthodox Churches of the world. While no details of yesterday’s conversation are available, Abp. Ieronymos expressed a neutral attitude to the issue at an earlier meeting with Constantinople representatives, stating only that it is a significant issue that would have to be taken up by the Bishops’ Council of the Greek Orthodox Church in October. The Ecumenical Patriarchate’s delegation responded that “in any case, the process [of Constantinople proclaiming autocephaly] will continue.” Pat. Bartholomew and Abp. Ieronymos also discussed the issue of the schismatic Macedonian Orthodox church, which reached out to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church in November for assistance in becoming a canonically-recognized autocephalous Church. The Bulgarian Church agreed to help, which greatly angered the Churches of Serbia, from which the Macedonian church initially schismed, and Greece, and also the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Pat. Bartholomew has publicly asserted Constantinople’s role as the Mother Church of all Balkan nations. The Macedonian church then appealed to the Ecumenical Patriarchate as well, which resolved at its May 30 session to take up this issue and take appropriate measures “under the essential conditions of the observance of the historical-canonical powers and privileges of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.”
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 0:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Sept 12, 2018 0:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Sept 11, 2018 23:05:14 GMT -5
but for sure you understand the Russians have been massaging in Macedonia and greece both ... playing both ends
thats why I been saying its gonna be tricky
I think they'll fail in Macedonia. The referendum will pass and the Prespa Agreement will be implemented on our side. The Russians never really had much sway in Macedonia. We have always wanted to be NATO and EU members - we just didn't want to change our name and identity to get there. The Prespa Agreement is a compromise the Macedonians can swallow in order to become EU and NATO members and move the country forward. I think the Russians will concentrate their efforts on Greece and try to have the Agreement scuppered there. Tsipras only has a tiny majority to maintain govt and a tiny majority supporting the Agreement. The Russians will try to influence the balance against the Agreement. There'll be alot of money changing hands in this process.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 11, 2018 18:26:35 GMT -5
no doubt ......
them Northern greek pontian refugees running around ....a greek embarrassment
Real classy. Ass hanging out in front of icon of Virgin Mary.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 11, 2018 18:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by Sokol on Sept 10, 2018 1:21:38 GMT -5
You’ve said before that Slavs should ally with Arabs, Latin Americans and others. That’s fine, perhaps Serbia can pursue this goal. The rest of us Slavs choose to ally with our fellow Europeans, who put Cyrillic on the EUR banknote. Who do you think had been giving the orders to Grekovlahs in order to kill all Slavic life and presence in Northern Greece in the last 200 years? (of course de-slavization/albanization had started long ago since 1400 AD and even before) Some evil masterminds from Athens? Who brought ALL those Pontians Greeks to Makedonia, in order to convert Slavs from absolute majority to minority in 1922? Who changed the Greek calendar from old Slavic to western (so that we dont celebrate along with our Slavic Orthodox brothers) in 1924? Who changed all the ex-SLAVIC toponyms in Greece in a massive de-Slavization campaign in 1926-1928? Who prohibited any use of Slavic in Greek throughout the years? Those guys ? no no no .... it was those guys : what about the fate of the actual Saxons who came as miners to the Balkans in the 13th-14th centuries? Do you know their fate? Their I1 Y-DNA has been left in the Balkans, but they have been assimilated into the ethnic groups of the countries in which they found themselves, much like the Vlachs.... atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php?topic=1029.20;wap2So in NE Macedonia we have no Saxon minority, all are ethnic Macedonians.... www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC4F4BJ_medieval-saxon-miners?guid=3c8007e4-8b8b-408f-9f4b-f2e0a51ac1ce
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Post by Sokol on Sept 9, 2018 17:08:10 GMT -5
And I suppose Poland, Slovakia & the Czech Republic are not Slavic either? Meanwhile Euro banknotes contain Cyrillic writing since Bulgaria’s admission
Poland is forced to act aggressively against Russia, and is not a free country. They are not free to talk about how Russians built their beautiful capital.
BTW you didn't answer my question who the "Mongols" are.
You sound like the dumbest anti-Russian grekobot. You know the ones who love Makedonia so much.... You’ve said before that Slavs should ally with Arabs, Latin Americans and others. That’s fine, perhaps Serbia can pursue this goal. The rest of us Slavs choose to ally with our fellow Europeans, who put Cyrillic on the EUR banknote.
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Post by Sokol on Sept 9, 2018 17:04:23 GMT -5
Poland et al. had luck to be some of the first ex-communistic countries to enter EU. That's why they got so much investments. Check Romania, Bulgaria or Croatia. How many EU investments did they get in comparison with West Slavs? Insignificant. Pyrros will jump in and say Greece got more than West Slavs and that's true too. Whoever enters later gets nothing. Concerning NATO its different story. I mean they were all part of Germanic sphere of influence for very long time, until WW2, but USSR made some mistakes where they could've easily take forever country like Poland in their sphere of influence (if they sided against Hitler when he invaded Poland). “Germany is the biggest economic partner of Macedonia and 47 per cent of Macedonia’s exports go to Germany. The economic exchange with Germany is worth 3.6 billion euros with a tendency to grow.” www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/merkel-urges-macedonians-to-vote-at-the-name-referendum-09-08-2018
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Post by Sokol on Sept 9, 2018 1:19:11 GMT -5
South Slavic consensus? That died with Yugoslavia. Slovenia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and now Macedonia all NATO members - that is the new consensus amongst South Slavs. Serbia and Bosnia (if it survives) can allie with the Mongols. I was talking of 1944 because the way you wrote it favored Nazi's. Right now only Serbia and Bosnia are two remaining South Slavic countries. Croatia, Slovenia and Bulgaria no longer are Slavic. Your country is on the crossroads. Montenegro never was, except the Serb element there. And I suppose Poland, Slovakia & the Czech Republic are not Slavic either? Meanwhile Euro banknotes contain Cyrillic writing since Bulgaria’s admission encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoU_4ZQRCJmonKrZs8vVnvayqoNOEqa39ffNDxJBOk6OsP473WKNzWcCUWHA
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Post by Sokol on Sept 9, 2018 1:02:12 GMT -5
cant trust census from 10 years ago let alone from 100 years ago when they were really trying to make a country or politics
struga is Albanian by far .....ohrid use to be
btw those alb in many areas were called turks
Struga municipality is majority Albanian, but Struga town is majority Macedonian en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struga
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Post by Sokol on Sept 9, 2018 0:58:17 GMT -5
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