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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 10:23:38 GMT -5
Olympics: Croatia, Montenegro win in basketball, water polo 12/08/2008
Croatia continues to roll over its opponents in men's basketball, and the Montenegrin men's water polo team dispatched Canada.
Albanian weightlifter Romela Begaj finished sixth in the women's 58kg final on Tuesday (August 12th), with a total score of 216kg (98, 118). The gold medal went to China's Chen Yanqing, who achieved 244kg (106, 138) and broke two world records. Romania's Roxana Cocos, finished in eighth place.
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Croatia remains undefeated in men's basketball, prevailing 85-78 in a tough match against Russia on Tuesday. The team faces Lithuania on Thursday. Croatia's men's handball team, meanwhile, downed Brazil 33-14.
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Greece outscored Germany 87-64 in men's basketball Tuesday, beating a team that included Dirk Nowitzki. The NBA star and five-time European Player of the Year scored only 13 points and six rebounds. In women's volleyball, Greece lost to Australia, 8-6.
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Montenegro's men's water polo team, nicknamed the Red Sharks, devoured Canada 12-0. Montenegro is the current European champion in the sport.
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Serbia's women's volleyball team easily dispatched Algeria (25-14, 25-13, 25-13). In shooting, <b>Serbia's</b> Stevan Pletikosic finished seventh in the men's 10m air rifle final with a total score of 697.7 (595, 102.7). The gold medal went to Abhinav Bindra of India, who scored 700.5 (596, 104.5).
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Romanian swimmer Camelia Alina Potec placed sixth in the women's 400m freestyle final, with a time of 4:04.66. The gold medal went to Rebecca Adlington of Britain (4:03:22). In weightlifting, meanwhile, Antoniu Buci finished fourth in the men's 62kg event, lifting 130kg in the snatch and 165kg in the clean and jerk. China's Zhang Xiangxiang took gold by lifting 143kg in the snatch and 176kg in the clean and jerk.
Various sources www.setimes.com/
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 10:25:09 GMT -5
Canadian men sunk by Montenegro 12-0 in water polo George Johnson, Canwest News Service
Published: Tuesday, August 12, 2008
BEIJING -- If Dragan Jovanovic could smell the fear above the chlorine, safe to assume the Montenegrins got a healthy whiff of it, too.
****"The ball is the same. The pool is the same. The rules are the same. But it is not the same. These are the Olympic Games," said the Canadian men's water polo coach, remarkably composed under the circumstances. "It is not a question of talent. Or tactics. Or preparation.
"It is a question of fear.
"When you have fear, your brain freezes and your muscles don't work.
"You show fear and others will feed off it.
"We have to get over the fear."
There wasn't just fear in the water at the Yingdong Natatorium bright and early Monday morning. There was blood. Canadian blood. No wonder the guy working the sound system cued up the theme music from Jaws so often. Off of a 16-6 mugging by Spain in their opener on Sunday and this 12-0 dismantling by Montenegro 48 hours later, the Canucks, in the immortal words of the late Roy Scheider, "are going to need a bigger boat."
Certainly the skiff they were piloting Monday snapped in two and sank without trace when the Montenegrins went in search of a snack.
"Obviously, I can't remember every game I've played," murmured Canadian captain Thomas Marks. "But this is as frustrated as I've ever been. As I will ever be, hopefully.
"Offensively ... we just didn't get any penetration at all. We weren't moving. We weren't thinking. All our shots were from 10-12 metres out. We had a couple of chances early, didn't capitalize on them, and they got rolling." Montenegro began its pitched assault immediately, Vladimir Gojkovic whizzing a shot past the lunging left hand of Canadian goalie Robin Randall just a half-minute in. By the 16-minute break, the scoreline read 8-0 and the only question left was whether the Canadians could break their duck or not.
They couldn't.
The PA announcer, looking for something - anything - to inject a little life into the one-sided proceedings, made a big to-do about Canada winning the sprint to the ball to open the second half. Understandable. It was the first thing they'd won all morning.
In an effort to shake his team out of its nervous stupor, Jovanovic changed goaltenders, swapping in Nic Youngblud. The initial Montenegrin shot Youngblud faced beat him.
Yes, it was that kind of day in the water. Think the Bismarck. There hasn't been such an atrocity in a pool since Esther Williams' last Technicolor underwater opus for MGM.
"I ... don't how what to say," admitted Aaron Feltham.
Well, what-the-*&^%%#$ might be a start.
The Canadians arrived here flushed with ambition after securing this Olympic berth by virtue of a 9-8 super-de-duper upset right in Romania during qualification. That was, as has been mentioned often, quite the achievement. But its past. Over. Done with.
Since then, Jovanovic has, with the fervor of a chautaqua tent evangelist, preached the necessity of moving on, shedding any residue of complacency or self-satisfaction and single mindedly zoning in on the task at hand.
His sermon seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
"For us, it's not about finishing sixth or 12, or scoring a goal or not ... it's the performance," he stressed. "We want to play the way we know we're capable of. We haven't done that yet.
"Remember what I said about the brain freezing up, and the muscles? It took us 25 seconds to go from defence to offence. It took Montenegro half that time."
Marks reiterated that solutions start and end with the players.
"Certainly there are distractions. But what we have to do is start thinking about our jobs. And not just when we're practicing. When we're eating. When we're walking through the village. When we're on the bus.
"It's up to us to be more ready than we have been when we're in the water.
"What happened today ... everyone gets themselves up in their own way; uses different fuel. But today ... that's a very good team but we didn't show much resistance."
With three games remaining to be contested in their group, Canada's aspirations are not yet completely comatose. Of the Big Three on their side, only Hungary now looms.
"There is still hope," said Jovanovic. "We have important games against Australia and Greece coming up. But obviously we will have to be much better in all areas.
"The fear is a huge issue for us. We can't be satisfied just to be here and we can't be afraid because these are the Olympic Games.
"This is a young team. We have no experience at the Olympics. This is something totally new for us. As a team, you need to go through that, to get past the nervousness and start feeling comfortable. And that takes time.
"Unfortunately, time is something we don't have a lot of." www.canada.com/
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 10:29:33 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 10:35:51 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 10:37:09 GMT -5
It is almost like a basketball team given that many are close to 2 meters high (close to 6 foot seven) lol
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Post by zgembo on Aug 12, 2008 12:57:27 GMT -5
Thats how it is in water polo... the entire Serbian water polo team ranges from 6'2 to 6'8 as well
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Aug 12, 2008 13:51:27 GMT -5
Congrats to Montenegro. Didnt' know they were Euro Champions. That's an impressive feat for a nation fo 600,000.
Were they always this good?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Aug 12, 2008 14:01:56 GMT -5
Montenegro had always produced a number of athletes in former Yugoslavia and back in the days of Montenegrin Kingdom I doubt they were much into sports as they are now (certainly no old Montenegrin would have been cought dead wearing these swimming trunks much less to swimm in them publicly lol ).
Either way time will tell just how good they are and for how long.
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Post by zgembo on Aug 12, 2008 15:23:52 GMT -5
PVK Jadran, the water polo team from Herceg Novi, was champion of Yugoslavia on many occasions. As long as they keep it up, Montenegro will be good in water polo.
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Post by ljubomir on Aug 12, 2008 21:34:40 GMT -5
I watched this game, it was one way traffic all game... They could have beaten them 20-0 if they hadn't gone all lazy (in true montenegrin fashion) in the last half lol
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Post by terroreign on Aug 13, 2008 3:50:39 GMT -5
Good job from my ethnic Montenegrin brothers, we're taking the gold brothers!!
ljubomir are you ready for 2nd place again? or maybe last?
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Post by ljubomir on Aug 13, 2008 7:02:39 GMT -5
Water polo is a funny sport... don't count your chickens before they hatch TR
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Post by terroreign on Aug 14, 2008 1:50:45 GMT -5
It's funny because you lost, which makes you funny.
Long Live the sharks, eat up those dolphins
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Aug 14, 2008 10:56:07 GMT -5
I just got back from Montenegro last week.............was their during the homecoming. Few points i want to make about the championships :
1. The Montenegrin team deserved to win. Doesnt matter if i hate the government, the anthem, the flag etc...........in purely sporting terms, the players representing Montenegro played amazingly well. They beat the reigning European, Olympic and World Champions and deserve the credit.
2. To call the Montenegrin team an "ethnic Montenegrin" team is laughable. 8 of the rostered players on the team are from Herceg Novi whilst the remaining ones are from Kotor. Its a little known secret that Herceg Novi is the biggest Serb city in Montenegro, and the majority of the population considers itself Serb. This goes for the Novljanci who were playing for the Red Sharks aswell. * The player who scored the winning the goal for Montenegro (Vukcevic) comes from a strongly pro-Serb family in HN. *Only one player from Montenegro is representing Serbia......and hes also from HN. *The players who represented Montenegro couldnt get a starting spot on the Serbian team, so they chose to represent MNE instead. Shame on the Waterpolo authorities in Beograd who deemed that kids who learnt to swim in Ada Ciganlija are worthy to represent Serbia over kids who learnt to play Waterpolo on the adriatic.
3. One has to remember that Serbia is going through a tough time without Ikadinovic.
4. There was no docek for the players in HN because no one would have showed up. Kotor was then chosen to host the players arrival, and they actually did a good job lighting up the city.
5. Podgorica was the next port of call (A city without a public pool) and discustingly in the the front row of the crowd, people were holding political banners of DPS (Djukanovic's mafia party) and framed photos of Kralj Milo himself. I could handle the new Montnegrin-Siptar flags being waved around, but when i saw that discusting politisization of sporting glory i felt like throwing up. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But anyways, Montenegro definitly deserved the victory. Once again ide blame the Serbian selectors for screwing things up!
PS> Terroreign is still a Siptar i see.
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Post by terroreign on Aug 15, 2008 1:00:01 GMT -5
^Herceg-Novi is 28.4% Montenegrin, 9,600 Montenegrins
And I go there every other summer (grandparents own a house there) and I know many self-declared Montenegrins that live there. For example the owner of the Cafe on the beach near Perper, his name's Zarko, is a self-declared Montenegrin.
The Vukcevic family hails from around Podgorica, and the whole family was pro-independence, like popular Monte singer Marko Vukcevic they all are declare Montenegrin.
Only 52% of HN declares serb, not too much for such a small town, considering there is a bigger percentage of Montenegrins in Podgorica then that.
If any of the players really felt serb, they would of announced it in a press-meeting, players do that all around the world...
But I see them kissing my flag, singing my anthem and shouting "e viva Montenegro", so much for your theories!
Btw Kotor was the logical choice for the docek since its a bigger city and more space, and closer to the Tivat airport.
So anyways, of course Montenegro deserved it, they were the best and serbia sucked.
E viva!
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Aug 15, 2008 2:37:09 GMT -5
Siptare....jos uvek seres eh? Last year you said you didnt even go to Herceg Novi.....because in your words it was a "shitty version of Dubrovnik". You said you went to all the cities on the Coast but by-passed HN because of its "po-Serbness". Why do you have to lie over an Internet forum? Go out and find a girlfriend you tool. PS. How can you go every year, when youve been on Illyria this whole summer? Youve got like 3000 posts on a forum........when dd you find time for a holiday? Once again caught in a lie siptare. PPS. Where exactly do your grandparents own a house? Like which area etc....do you even know the name of areas there? Im in HN every year for 30 days, dont try and fool me. I know many self declared Montenegrins aswell. My dads a self-declared Montenegrin. My uncles a self declared Montenegrin. It doesnt matter to them if they both married Serbian women from outside of MNE, or if their own parents call themselves Serbs.........they still call themselves Montenegrins, which is fine by me. What im not fine about is you labelling people something theyre now. Just like when you lablled Georgiev an "Ethnic-Montenegrin", when infact he is one of the biggest Serbs from HN. Hes even hated in some circles of MNE because of his quotes on the Montenegrin Referendum, and his love of Beograd (Calling it his real home etc). Now as for Zarko, who owns a cafe near the beach........lol. You couldnt have been more clear on the cafe? I mean, if you had enough time to remember his name, his political views etc......youde think you could remember the name of the cafe, the exact location, and which beach its near? Once again Bsing. LOL youve talked to the whole Vukcevic family eh? This is like when you said the Vasojevici and Piperi were the biggest Pro-Montenegrin clans ahahhaah. The fact of the matter is the Vukcevici (like all families in Montenegro) are probly split down the middle. Simon Vukcevic is a perfect example, he was a Serb..........but chose to play for MNE cos he saw limited chances with the Serbian team. This is exactly wat happened with his namesake on the Water Polo team. Vukcevic is only like 23......i hung around with guys who went to school with him, who played waterpolo with him. Everyone knows that hes Serb.......but that doesnt matter, cos sport is sport. Other examples of Serbs playing for Montenegro. My mate "Djordje" represented MNE at the junior European Karate championships. His team won a gold in the karta...........and he was proud of his achievement, but he did it for himself, not for MNE. Another example is Buducnost basketballer Mijatovic. Ive met his father, biggest Serb out......from Bosna. His mother is also a Serb from Croatia. But guess who Mijatovic has chosen to play for? MNE. Its got nothing to do with ethnicity when chosing to play for MNE, its about whats best for the individual. PS. Mijatovic is seen as a first round NBA draft pick for 09. Only 60% of Podgorica considers itself "Montenegrin". Not a huge difference between that of Serbs in HN. So what then.......Podgorica isnt a "Montenegrin" city? :S Nice logic dickhead. LOL no they dont. Listen dickhead.......HN is a majority "Serb" town. All the best water players that have come from HN, are playing for MNE (minus the exception of one). So youre telling me that that all the players coming from HN,are "ethnic Montenegrins". Where are the self-identified "Serbs" who play Water Polo? At the very least, half the Novljani will consider themselves Serbs....its just common sence. Show me a picture of Vukcevic (If you even know who he is mr Water Polo and HN expert) kissing the flag. Show me a picture of the team, where at least half the players are doing the two finger sign. Good Luck.... its not a bigger city then HN/Igalo......It was logical choice for political reasons. The best water polo players come from HN, the best Water Polo club is Jadran from HN, and the stronget Water Polo culture is found in HN. The only reason they didnt come, was because no one would show up. On Montenegros Independance day (the real Independance day rectified at the Berlin Congress) the Montenegrin flag wasnt even put up. Instead, people put the Serb Tri colour of Red/Blue/White on all the buildings. Im supporting Montenegro aswell, theyre like the second Serbian team ahahahaha Long Live Herceg Novi Long Live Srpska Crna Gora
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Post by terroreign on Aug 17, 2008 2:45:39 GMT -5
Last summer I was in HN most of the time, since I was staying at my Granparent's house there...But I traveled alot more and saw more of Montenegro. Why must you make up crap? I obviously didnt go this summer, due to other reasons, but I was there last summer and will be next summer. In Meljine, up a hill across from the bus-stop Yea, I do. Good for them, that makes them non-izdajniks Yep, just like Vukcevic, so respect that He's a montenegrin because that's what he is, send me a link of an interview where he says those things... Haha I did say the name of the beach, it's the perper beach on the way to Perper cafe, obviously you don't know what that is because you've never been to CG. I didnt remember the name of his cafe because I drank there only once and it was the same day I was introduced to him. The Piperi are one of the biggest, the vasojevici i always said was split. Tell that to the millions of fans/hooligans around the world who attack eachother due to sport... Pretty stupid, considering there are Montenegrin players from Serbia who chose to play for Montenegro because that's their motherland, and these so-called "serbs" will play for a country which is against their existance...lol Wrong again, Mijatovici all come from Montenegro, during the 17th century some immigrated to Bosnia/Croatia, later those becoming serbified. But Predrag Mijatovic (from Podgorica) knows his own ethnicity (Montenegrin). This logic being that Podgorica is more of a Montenegrin city then Herceg-Novi a serb city. Herceg-Novi is a mixed city, ethnic Montenegrins having a significant population there. Carting donkeys, selling krofne, the usual ;D I like how Nikola is waving my flag, and singing along so nicely to my anthem. E viva Montenegro!! Bravo Niko my ethnic Montenegrin brother! I consider Igalo and Herceg Novi seperate cities... And the terrain over there isn't the best, everything is on a hill, need to take stairs to go anywhere besides the promenade. It was the Montenegrin Tricolor, red, light-blue and white. Learn history! Long live Montenegrin Montenegro!
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Aug 17, 2008 10:31:00 GMT -5
^^ This is going to be fun........... ------------------------------------------------------- You posted pics of your skinny bitch arse on the old forum...........you had pics in Cetinje and Podgorica aswell as photos from some selo where you claim your grandparents were from. Now Im just going by what you said last year, and the evidence at hand to justify my belief that youre talking shit. You specifically wrote that you werent going to go to HN because its a crappy version of Dubrovnik, yet you claim you were there for a month now? LMAO. yes man ok. If your family is from Resan (On the coast) then why would they need to have a holiday home in another coastal town? :S Across the hill are numerous Apartment blocks........doesnt look anything like the pics you posted from your grandparents home. His dads from Macedonia and his mum is from Serbia.....they chose to live in Herceg Novi. Its a well known fact that is one of the best musicions from the Balkans, and that he loves Beograd. He held a three-day concert on the Kanli Kula......and alot of the extremist "Montenegrins" refused to go watch him because of his comments about "Montenegrinism". You dont remember because you were only in HN for a day trip or something. Stop bullshitting lol The Piperi are one of the biggest, the vasojevici i always said was split. LMAO. No there arent lol. Theres Serbs from Serbia who know they cant make the Serbia team, so they find another way to get International recognition. LMAO....you sure about that? "Following the unilateral independence of Kosovo, Mijatovic said that the EU should be nice to the Serbs when choosing sides over the status, Mijatovic thinks that Kosovo is a historical and integral part of Serbia. He greeted the Serbian president, Boris Tadic, on his win over Tomislav Nikolic and the future of an European Serbia.[1]"He was involved in several high-profile protests against the NATO bombing campaign of Yugoslavia, his home country. He was fined over 5 million pesetas by Real Madrid after refusing to play against Alavés in April 1999.*Not to mention his two greatest loves in his life have both been Beogradjanke. And heres an interview where hes talking about how important Kosovo is to him and to Serbian people : www.kurir-info.rs/clanak/kurir-07-02-2008/kosovo-je-srpskowow.....really a "Montenegrin" ahahhahaa By the smallest of margins Ethnic groups- Herceg Novi (2003 census), totally 33,971:
17,818 Serbs (52.45%) 9,651 Montenegrins (28.41%) Ethnic groups- Podgorica (2003 cencus)
Montenegrins 96,343 56.96% Serbs 44,423 26.26% So i guess if you can consider HN a multi-ethnic city, you can consider Podgorica aswell eh ahahaha AHAHHHAHAAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ej debile.............. Do you even know who Nikola Vukcevic is? In that video you just posted he is neither holding that flag with the other guys, nor is he singing the anthem! Youre so fukn funny! 42 seconds : Hes the guy on the right of screen scratching his ear, whilst the other guys are waving the flags. 2.55 seconds : Hes the guy on the left, sort of rolling his eyes and scratching his face (sort of at edge) as the national anthem plays. ahhaha....see you have no idea! You should just be proud that Serbs are winning you trophies, just as we protected the land for 600 years. btw I have no reason to claim him as Serb, it doesnt matter to me........ Sport is Sport. But i know what i heard whilst i was there. There were hardline Serbs saying that he should never be let back into HN, whilst other moderate Serbs were saying just as i was......."It was Serbias fault for not giving him a chance". Anyways as a city, all Novljani were proud that the city was represented well at the championships. Who gives a shit what you consider it ? LOL.....who the fuk are you? Igali and Herceg Novi are considered part of one block of Montenegro. The area is known as Herceg Novi and includes HN, Igalo, Zelenika and a bunch of other smaller towns. Thanks for making a fool of yourself again Siptar!
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Post by terroreign on Aug 17, 2008 13:56:13 GMT -5
Yea I didn't take as many pictures in HN because I was there most of the time
It's my mom's side who has a house in HN (They're from Berane/Plav)
No, there's a big road (re-did about a year ago) going up the hill, there's houses and ect there
To the right, from the bustop, is where the apartments are...
No I just didn't swim around that area, I went usually to the Hotel Plaza beach or the Sidro plaza
Considering that Cavic, an american citizen made it on the serbian team, if a good waterpolo player can't play for serbia, then he shouldn't...
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Aug 18, 2008 1:52:20 GMT -5
That makes no sence whatsover......so you didnt take photos of your grandparents home, your grandparents? etc.
ok man.
Cavic has admitted that his first choise was America....but since they didnt pick him, he went to Serbia. Same with everyone who plays for Montenegro.
ahahah it kills you doesnt it? Just watch that clip again please......watch him as the anthem is playing, watch how nervous he is, watch him twitch, watch him look at the floor, then up at the crowd. Now compare that to a player like Janovic who is staring right at the flag and singing and you will see the difference.
Vukcevic.....Srbine!
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