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Post by Beach Police on Nov 28, 2007 16:03:57 GMT -5
Lavrov: US position undermines efforts for a solution for Kosovo (RTS/Tanjug)
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All countries that recognize unilaterally proclaimed independence of Kosovo will be treated by Russia as countries violating international law, said the Head of the Foreign Policy Board of the Russian Duma Konstantin Kosachov. He repeated that Moscow opposes solutions for Kosovo that are not accepted by both sides in the dispute. If Pristina and Belgrade agree on independence, this will not be a problem for us, said Kosachov. According to him, the only problem in the negotiations on the status of Kosovo is that the US and the EU are setting dates when the status issue should be resolved.
In case some countries decide unilaterally and rashly to recognize independence of Kosovo, Moscow will consider all possibilities for development and possible moves, said Deputy President of the Russian Committee for International Relations Vasilii Lihachov. He said during a video-link between Moscow and the Russian Information Center of Ria Novosti in Beijing dedicated to the situation in Kosovo that moves of the Russian Government can be on a diplomatic, administrative and economic level. From the position of international law, Kosovo does not fulfill standards of an independent state and currently is one of the most problematic zones in Europe, said Lihachov.
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Post by superman on Nov 28, 2007 16:08:05 GMT -5
Moscow should go out of Transnistria first.
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2007 16:25:05 GMT -5
Moscow should go out of Transnistria first. Moscow in Transnistria is due to Moldova's government. Moldova's government allowed russians to stay there. i mean seriosuly at the time Moldova couldn't crush the seperatists so they chose to keep the Russians their to keep control of them. Since the Russians have been there has been no conlict, but had the Moldovans not agreed to have the Russians stay their they could have crushed the Transnistrians a few years later. It isn;t only russia. If Russia was to get out of Transnistria then Ukraine would move in -- the Ukraine probably has more interest in Transnistria then Russia.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 0:49:32 GMT -5
no no Ukraine will not move in, and Moldovan gov which is (the communists pro-russian) even they asked Russia to withdraw quickly...
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 12:10:42 GMT -5
no no Ukraine will not move in, and Moldovan gov which is (the communists pro-russian) even they asked Russia to withdraw quickly... moldovans signed an agreement which Russia that has yet to be renounced allowing the russians to stay in transnistria forever. Ukraine has more interest in Transnistria then russia. russia largely stays in transnistria because of Ukraine for several reasons.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 13:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 13:36:16 GMT -5
Too bad his claim is not based on fact. Early 90s an agreement was signed. Russians are still there due to the terms of the agreement. The simple fact is the Moldovan leadership signed a shi**y agreement and the country is suffering because of it. Plus, even if the Russians left they'd be replaced with Ukrainians.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 14:03:37 GMT -5
I doubt it since EU is forcing Ukraine to behave nicely...
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 14:06:58 GMT -5
I doubt it since EU is forcing Ukraine to behave nicely... B.S. western propaganda. Ukraine's leaders aren't any kind of pro-EU reformists. They are just oligarchs and criminal mafia who have fallen out with russia. Transnistria is more important to the ukraine then it is to Russia. Some people use the Transnistria-Ukraine customs dispute to say Ukraine is not pro-transnistria. But that's wishful thinking, that whole issue came up because actions of Transnistrian authorities were causing people linked to Tymoshenko and Yuschenko to lose money.
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 14:08:12 GMT -5
and why should it be so important? Moldova will re-unite with Romania soon anyway..
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 14:11:01 GMT -5
and why should it be so important? Moldova will re-unite with Romania soon anyway.. Ukrainian polticians (regardless of whether pro-west or pro-russian) view/seek Transnistria as part of the Ukraine. If the Ukraine had it's way Transnistria would become part of the Ukraine while Moldova would be left to it's own devices (i.e. joining Romania).
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Post by superman on Nov 29, 2007 15:37:44 GMT -5
If they want Transnistria fine, but they should return Northen Bucovina and South Bessarabia as well to Romania and not to mention the Serpant Island that was always Romania's.
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 20:35:33 GMT -5
If they want Transnistria fine, but they should return Northen Bucovina and South Bessarabia as well to Romania and not to mention the Serpant Island that was always Romania's. You should also add Crime to be returned to Russia into that list (it was unilaterally put under Ukrainian rule by Khruschev -- an ethnic Ukrainian). I don't think Ukraine will ever give up thos territories. I also doubt Moldova will unite with Moldavia with Transnistria. The current leadership of Moldova is for a united Moldova not for a reunified Romania.
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Post by superman on Nov 30, 2007 0:31:13 GMT -5
I know that but the new leadership that is now configurating is pro-Romanian. Already the mayor of capital Chisinau he's pro-Romanian. So, new people will come and eventually in less than a decade we'll be reunited again.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Nov 30, 2007 0:49:25 GMT -5
what is the whole world recognizes it except russia serbia and greece? hehehe what u goin to do then aahahah?
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Post by Fender on Nov 30, 2007 3:46:12 GMT -5
what is the whole world recognizes it except russia serbia and greece? hehehe what u goin to do then aahahah? Won't happen, even if it does, it has to be ratified by the UNSC.
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Post by sorryp on Nov 30, 2007 4:19:46 GMT -5
Level 0 of Opposition (Will block UN entrance) - Russia Fed, China Level 1 of Opposition (Explicitly will veto/block kosovo entrance/integration into EU) - Cyprus Level 2 of Opposition (Will never agree) - Greece, Romania, Spain, Slovakia Level 3 of Opposition (Will not agree presently) - Germany, Austria
And ofcourse that list was by far smaller 1-2-3 years ago. The trend is in favor of peace (Serbia), make your maths about what happens in a year from now, and remember everybody is talking about "continuation..." of the talks. Just calculate where the trend angle will be by then, the time period and you have your conclusion.
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Post by superman on Nov 30, 2007 12:16:49 GMT -5
I think Romania is on Level 1.
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Post by highduke on Nov 30, 2007 13:47:23 GMT -5
Kosovo independance will never be REAL unless the UN ecognizes it.
That means that nobody will invest in Kosovo and unemployment will continue at 70%.
It's called De-facto indepndance.
Eventuallu Russia will support Resolution 1244 which calls for Serb military and police in Kosovo.
Kosovo is going to be the epicenter of a big war that will humiliate the West because NATO countries will not go to war for Kosovo if Russia backs Serbia - partly because Russia supplies the EU its oil, partly because nobody wants to fight Russian-armed Serbian soldiers and mostly because the US is bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq.
America is about to be humiliated by Russia. Give it less than 5 years.
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