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Post by rusebg on Dec 4, 2008 7:39:17 GMT -5
We have Madzharov as well. Because most probably some person had lived in Hungary and thus the family name was formed. Novi, what sort of evidence do you attempt to present?
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Post by ljubotan on Dec 4, 2008 18:54:17 GMT -5
I've heard some words my wife use in Montenegrin that I haven't heard people from Serbia use; for example, 'kromit', 'more'(nemoj more ti da mi kazuas kako toa da rabotam), 'oris', 'lani'. There has to be some sort of connection like Novi said between the Montenegrin highlanders, Kosovo and NW Vardar areas.
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Post by Arthur Kane on Jan 7, 2009 17:35:47 GMT -5
Slavic speaking people in Macedonia are simply people that speak a Slavic tongue and live in a certain geographical region. They have cultural similarities to all their neighbors. Nationalists try to capitalize on some of these similarities and add their spin by forcing a particular identity on these people.
If people can accept being an American as a legitimate identity then whats the problem with Macedonian?
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Post by ioan on Jan 8, 2009 4:25:16 GMT -5
The problem is that for some 1300 years those "simply Slavs" called themselves Bulgarian, were called by outsiders Bulgarian up till 1945. Also they think they are direct descedants of the ancient Macedons, that were a Greek tribe. From the abovementioned facts follow two collisions: with Bulgaria and with Greece. Because they think ancient Greek Macedonian history is theirs and Medievil Bulgarian history is theirs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 8, 2009 7:56:00 GMT -5
^ Where does this leave the Excharchos?
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Post by ioan on Jan 20, 2009 2:04:00 GMT -5
In your fairytale dreams, my Torlakian friend. Come back to mother Bulgaria .
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Post by mavros on Apr 8, 2009 2:12:37 GMT -5
Letter to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration for the Province of Ontario
Queens Park, Toronto
Dear Honorable Mr. Chan
By mistake I watched a television program called Macedonian Roots on March 20, 2009, which is carried on Rogers multilingual channel.
I heard your remarks on the celebration of the independence date of the FYR of Macedonia with surprise and consternation.
In your remarks, Your Excellency mentioned that the first “Macedonians” had come to Canada at the beginning of the twentieth century and in 1911 built their first “Macedonian” church. According to the Encyclopedia Canadiana, Volume 6, page 260, it states “Macedonian orgin, people of”: ‘As early as 1896, a few young Bulgaro-Macedonian peasants left the regions of Kastoria and Lerin in south Macedonia and immigrated to Canada.’
It is important to point out to Your Excellency that the first “Macedonian” church to which Your Excellency referred is actually the MACEDONO-BULGARIAN church called St.Cyril and Methody, Macedono-Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox Cathedral. The building, at the present time, stands on the corner of Dundas St. East and Sackville St. in Toronto.
Until the Second World War, there were no “Macedonian” churches in Canada and USA. All the churches were called Macedono-Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox churches. In the past, we provided the author of the ‘Many Faces of Toronto’ with the Bulgarian story on this subject.
It is timely to point out to Your Excellency that the so-called “Macedonian” church organization was created by the Yugoslav Communist Party in 1957. This church organization has not been recognized by any other Orthodox Church. Not only that, it is not recognized by the political party which created it. In their “Macedonian” church the worshipers pray to God in Serbian. In April of 2000, the present Consul General of the FYR of Macedonia said on one of the many” Macedonian” radio programs that the worshipers of these “Macedonian” churches worship God in Serbian.
In your remarks, Your Excellency mentioned some people of “Macedonian” descent who have been successful in Toronto, eg. Steve Stavro. These same people are members of the Macedono-Bulgarian Eastern Orthodox church at 17 Regent St. in Toronto.
We do not intend to review the history of the Balkan peoples who reside in Canada but to point out the audacity of the FYR of Macedonia.
The FYR of Macedonia has problems with all its neighbors.
In the summer of 2005, the European community told the Republic in no uncertain way, that its history is Bulgarian and its language is a dialect of the Bulgarian language.
Even the American Congressional Records, No 79, June 7, 1983, states that the Republic is populated by Bulgarians, Albanians and others but not with “Macedonians”.
The communist movement which created the “Macedonian” nationality and language in February of 1934, lacks credibility with the world’s historians.
We ask you to reconsider your remarks in the light of these historical facts regarding the residents of the FYR of Macedonia.
Yours Truly, G. Mladenoff President of MPO Luben Dimitroff, Toronto (21.03.2009) Copies to: Consul general of the FYR of Macedonia in Toronto Consul general of the Republic of Bulgaria in Toronto Credit to: Vladimir Pankov
Credit to: Vladimir Pankov
Download letter in doc format
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 19, 2009 14:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Aris on Jul 24, 2009 17:37:50 GMT -5
The Macedonians are Macedonians !
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2009 22:04:21 GMT -5
^ So what are you willing to say?
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Post by Gigolo on Sept 22, 2009 17:10:01 GMT -5
Old maps of that sort mean nothing. Litteraly nothing.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 22, 2009 21:21:03 GMT -5
^ Maps produced prior to the 19th century are accurate, but maps made from the confusion brought about by the Turkish backed Bulgarian Exarchos in 19th century should not be viewed as accurate.
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Post by ioan on Oct 14, 2009 3:44:06 GMT -5
Will this be the position of the Simple Bulgarians from which you descend, who, by the way, said that their language was SIMPLE BULGARIAN BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EXARCHATE.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 14, 2009 7:09:37 GMT -5
^ here we go again Ioan, simple bulgarian is not simple turkic. I'm a slav like Rhezus of local origins, but you and Ruse are either Hasli or Eski Bulgars like foreign Turkic Gaguaz!. Either you admit you are a slav or a Eski B'lgar.
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Post by ioan on Oct 14, 2009 7:20:34 GMT -5
I admit I am slav, because I am Bulgarian and Bulgarian is a slavic language with Thracian grammer. Accept you are simple Bulgarian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 14, 2009 7:29:53 GMT -5
"I admit I am slav, because I am Bulgarian and Bulgarian is a slavic language with Thracian grammer. Accept you are simple Bulgarian." At least for now you admit your a slav like me and Rhezus ........but simple Bulgarian is not simple turkic. A serb is a pure slav like sorbian, croat, russian, polish etc.......
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Post by ioan on Oct 14, 2009 7:41:21 GMT -5
Pure slav? What is this? Do you really think you desend only from slavs who didnt mix with preslavic balkanic people? Dream on. Your ansestors were sure they were speaking simple Bulgarian
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 14, 2009 7:56:04 GMT -5
^ who were they Dragovichi, Tikveshi etc.....
Besides, Bulgarian is simple turkic, no chance ;D
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Post by ioan on Oct 14, 2009 8:10:11 GMT -5
Well your grandpas thought they were speaking simple Bulgarian in other words the language that the Bulgarians from present day Bulgaria speak also called Bulgarian language which undoubtedly is a slavic language.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 3, 2010 1:51:48 GMT -5
Well your grandpas thought they were speaking simple Bulgarian in other words the language that the Bulgarians from present day Bulgaria speak also called Bulgarian language which undoubtedly is a slavic language. Bulgarians look like Chinese and Mongolian Turkic people. ;D
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