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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 12, 2008 10:53:04 GMT -5
STFU man. Wrong topic for a start. Seriously, a bit more focus & you would be even better value.
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Post by bog on Dec 12, 2008 10:54:08 GMT -5
why do you hate the Ustasas?
Is it our freedom?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 12, 2008 10:57:39 GMT -5
Man, STFU. ustase were allied with the Axis powers, unlike the Cetniks who were allied with the right side - the Allies. The ustase spoke words of complete hatred unlike the Cetniks - that was their philosophy. The ustase created massive concentration camps like Jasenovac - unlike the Cetniks. STFU man. It's ridiculous. I've got plenty of respect for you but stop being such a dick sometimes. Wrong topic as well.
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Post by bog on Dec 12, 2008 11:00:41 GMT -5
I respect the Cetniks..
They killed lots of partizan's, who are evil, and who wanted to make the evil SFRJ that did a genocide against 400,000 Muslims.
Cetniks were on the right side I know! I like them..
If only there had been more sloga between Ustasas nd CEtniks we might have stopped Tito...
But you have to respect us, the Ustase..
We are freedomfighters..
we fight for freedom..
Just like that dude in brave-hearth
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 12, 2008 11:04:12 GMT -5
At some point I thought your warped statements had a bit of ironic insight but you've just become too much of a nutbag.
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Post by radovic on Dec 12, 2008 11:11:07 GMT -5
The Russian and Belarussian nations originate in the Ukraine also, it doesn't mean that they are Ukrainians. The same can be said for all Slavic nations, doesn't make them Ukrainian. You were trying to say that they are more Russian. They are more Ukrainian out of all possibilities, if that's even debatable. I was syaing they consider themselves more Russian then Ukrainian -- they see a loyalty to Russia, not the Ukraine. I said they are a seperate nation, and my contention was that their origin lies outside Kievan Rus -- as they formed indepndent federations opposed to Kievan Rus the Crimean Khanate and others. Not only that but the closest I came to specifically identifying them to one group was syaing they have the same ethnogenesis as Russians and Ukrainians. I also contended that the Kievan Rus origns you claim for the Cossacks does not mean they are Ukrainian -- citing Russian and Belarussian origins to Kievan Rus. Wrong. Most Ukrainians speak Ukrainian. Ukraine is the sole official language of the Ukraine. During the last census, 67.5% of the population declared themselves primarily Ukrainian speakers compared to 29.6% for Russian. Not only that but Russian as a language is concentrated in the south of the country, where the Balk of the Ukraines 8 million or so Russians live, and most prvalent in Crimea and border regions. Look at the maps: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_cencus_2001_Russian.svgen.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_cencus_2001_Ukrainian.svgThat doesn't mean Ukrainya has the same meaning as Krajina. Look at the origins of the word Ukraine. Hell look at the origins of the word Russia, you'll find it originates from a word the vikings used. Lol. It is as much Russian as you claim it as Ukrainian. It's generally accepted that Kievan Rus is the precursor to Belarussians, Russians and Ukrainians. The Cossacks are a different story, and there are several theories as to what their origiins are.
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 12, 2008 18:40:39 GMT -5
At some point I thought your warped statements had a bit of ironic insight but you've just become too much of a nutbag. dw about him, it makes them feel better to say Serbs had their own version of the Ustase to make them feel that all ethnic groups were equal in being allied with the axis
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