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Post by vinjak on Jul 19, 2008 1:52:22 GMT -5
and support the oppression?
In his time there was no Oppresion. The Opression came in Milosevic's time.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 19, 2008 1:56:59 GMT -5
Oppression is of various ways. In Millosevic time was no oppression but genocide.
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Post by vinjak on Jul 19, 2008 2:06:53 GMT -5
In Millosevic time was no oppression but genocide. No The opression started by a policy of Reserbinization in Milosevic's time........ way before the war your confusing events here. No I'm right. In every single thing from genocide, to human rights, to ethnic cleansing, to who started the war,Of course you are There are 2 sides to every story and event but this is about the so called oppresion and when it started so please stick to the topic.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jul 19, 2008 2:10:38 GMT -5
To my understanding, Kosovars always represented a thread to Serbs. The point is how to deal with it. Tito tried the diplomatic way while Milosevic wasn't that smart.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 19, 2008 3:03:53 GMT -5
What's a Kosovar?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 19, 2008 22:11:15 GMT -5
"Dude there is no point arguing. In their mind they are guilty of nothing. Anything they're acused of they have an excuse for. They are the perfect country and people.
Basicly Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians are guilty of EVERYTHING, Serbs of nothing.
That's the picture you get when you talk to them."
Very narrow minded comment. Kapetan, you need to think of who wanted Yugoslavia destroyed.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 19, 2008 22:17:17 GMT -5
"Oppression is of various ways. In Millosevic time was no oppression but genocide."
Sorry Teuta, this is a dumb comment. Explain to me why the serbian kosovan population is almost extermined but the Albanians are florishing, mind you that the Albanians were not a majority until after WW2. My question to you, are albanians capable of forefilling their requirement of multi-culturalism?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 19, 2008 22:21:41 GMT -5
"Tito tried the diplomatic way while Milosevic wasn't that smart."
Yes teuta, Tito opened the border between kosovo province and Albania, so naturally the Albanians came in. Milosevich said, no one is allowed to beat you, he wanted to crack down on this separtist albanian movement, but this didn't go down well with supporters like the US, UK or Germany.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 20, 2008 0:37:19 GMT -5
"Dude there is no point arguing. In their mind they are guilty of nothing. Anything they're acused of they have an excuse for. They are the perfect country and people. Basicly Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians are guilty of EVERYTHING, Serbs of nothing. That's the picture you get when you talk to them." Very narrow minded comment. Kapetan, you need to think of who wanted Yugoslavia destroyed. whats that have to do with the fact that serbs cant accept the blame for any of their actions and make it seem like its all the fault of croat nazis, bosniak fundementalists and albanian terrorists? btw you need to think of who wanted greater serbia
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 20, 2008 2:32:17 GMT -5
"btw you need to think of who wanted greater serbia" and who may that be?....milosevich?. I'll say it again, think really hard, there wasn't only one nation that sought to bring down Yugoslavia, there are many. "whats that have to do with the fact that serbs cant accept the blame for any of their actions and make it seem like its all the fault of croat nazis, bosniak fundementalists and albanian terrorists?" Have you ever understood why history is repeating itself again after 60 years when the Nazis used their little proxies to bring down Yugoslavia.......l suppose l blame the Austrians for the anti-serbianisms, they started this propaganda concept of 'Greater Serbia', back then in the early 20th century they were calling on for 'death to serbia' etc.....and because of the Austrians we have a nation called Albania with its mystifying glorious illyrian past
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 2:41:11 GMT -5
^No, chetniks created 'greater serbia', are you that clueless
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Post by kapetan on Jul 20, 2008 3:16:16 GMT -5
I see no there can't be a conversation with a person who denies the history of the greater serbia idea in Serbian nationalism, anymore then you can have a conversation about ww2 with a holocaust denier. They either really don't know, or they choose to act oblivious. Vuk Karadzis himself advocated uniting all "serb" lands. Just shut up.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 3:23:42 GMT -5
What happen to the honor that the Serb people once had? It looks like these (Novi, Deacaun) really have lost any of it their ancestors once had...
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 20, 2008 3:44:29 GMT -5
^No, chetniks created 'greater serbia', are you that clueless I see no there can't be a conversation with a person who denies the history of the greater serbia idea in Serbian nationalism, anymore then you can have a conversation about ww2 with a holocaust denier. They either really don't know, or they choose to act oblivious. Vuk Karadzis himself advocated uniting all "serb" lands. Just shut up. What happen to the honor that the Serb people once had? It looks like these (Novi, Deacaun) really have lost any of it their ancestors once had... You guys know the deal. Either prove that "Greater Serbia" is part of the Serbian national conscience or STFU. Remember... that's SERBIAN national conscience (since this is about a "Greater Serbia") so you cant use Bosanci, Crnogoraci or Krajisnici as examples.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 3:57:28 GMT -5
Seselj was vice-president of the Serbian government in 1998...
"The only serbian state we recognize is the one that includes Kosovo, Methoia, Vojvodina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Hercegovina, Dubrovnik!"
- Vojslav Seselj
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Post by terroreign on Jul 20, 2008 3:58:11 GMT -5
Now shut your mouth
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 20, 2008 5:07:32 GMT -5
I knew seselj's name was going to be mentioned. As you guys are well aware, remember that the 1st Yugoslavia was the union of the Croats, Slovenes and Serbs. This fanasty of greater serbia was the creation of Austria and now used by separtists as narrow minded propaganda.
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Post by donnie on Jan 19, 2009 9:59:44 GMT -5
I can but awe at the display of shere stupidity by Novi Pazar with and in this thread.
OK; Riza Sapunxhiu was a high official in former Yugoslavia. So what? It tells little about the situation of the people overall, their rights and so forth. The Albanians were reduced to second class citizens and their will was ignored as were their rights. They were systematically discriminated which is evident by looking at the distribution of state-salaried jobs. I mean, was the Vichy government representative of the French people and their interests? Well, we feel the same about undemocratically elected commuist officials "representing" us.
For all their propaganda and the Serbs' attempt to cover the reak of their sh.t from spreading, it still smells and this because a very evident flaw in their reasoning. Whenever they wish to argue that it was infact Serbs who were being opressed, they say this was possible because the Serbs had little power and the evil Tito gave the Albanians free hands to ethnically cleanse the "poor Serbs". Yet, in contradiction to this, they never cease to take credit for the positive changes vis-á-vis basic human rights the Albanians won during Tito's reign. These two concepts stand in two opposites of each other,yet Serbs do not hesitate to use both to argue that they were powerless and therefore cleansed from Kosova, but that they still did retain some power and used it in a most benevolent waý by giving the Albanians many rights and great freedom, giving them high positions (Sapunxhiu, F. Hoxha etc).
It is yet another display of senseless and morbid propaganda which aims to portray Serbs as a "divine" nation. In conclusion, we did get an improved situation thanks to TITO, not the Serbs, but our position was still not equal to that of the Serbs or the other ethnicities that made up Serbia.
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Post by donnie on Jan 20, 2009 4:53:07 GMT -5
And Greater Serbia, Novi, was not an Austrian "invention", unless you consider Garasanin and Moljevic as Austrians .. ?
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