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Post by radovic on Nov 27, 2008 12:17:07 GMT -5
Santa banned in Sarajevo nurseries 27 November 2008 Serbs and Croats have been withdrawing their children from Sarajevo nurseries, after Islamic religion instruction was introduced there.
The children have been re-enrolled in other nurseries in the Serb part of Sarajevo.
Arzija Mahmutoviæ, the director of the “Children of Sarajevo” Public Institution, which operates 24 nurseries in the city, decided to ban Father Christmas from all nurseries and stop giving gifts to children in Sarajevo nurseries for New Year.
“Introducing religious education for Muslim children in Sarajevo nurseries, a city which has been ethnically cleansed of the other two nationalities, distances Bosnia-Herzegovina from Europe and brings it closer to the Middle East,” said Leo Ploèkiniæ, president of the Croatian Libertas NGO.
He said that if this trend continued, Bosnia-Herzegovina would quickly become a radical Islamist country, because when children grew up and assumed important political positions, they would behave in line with what they were taught during their formative years.
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bihvojska
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"A Great Man is Remmbered By What He Has Created Not By What He Has Destoryed"
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Post by bihvojska on Nov 27, 2008 12:24:55 GMT -5
woops...give it time dodik will try to change the soon...:}
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 12:34:41 GMT -5
Could you give the source?
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Post by tito on Nov 27, 2008 12:37:37 GMT -5
Arzija Mahmutoviæ, the director of the “Children of Sarajevo” Public Institution, which operates 24 nurseries in the city, decided to ban Father Christmas from all nurseries and stop giving gifts to children in Sarajevo nurseries for New Year. Stupid serb propaganda. Leo Ploèkiniæ, president of the Croatian Libertas NGO. This is the guy that was sending 2000 HVO veterans to Izrael to fight for HRHB in Lebanon. ;D
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 12:52:08 GMT -5
Arzija Mahmutoviæ, the director of the “Children of Sarajevo” Public Institution, which operates 24 nurseries in the city, decided to ban Father Christmas from all nurseries and stop giving gifts to children in Sarajevo nurseries for New Year. Stupid serb propaganda. Leo Ploèkiniæ, president of the Croatian Libertas NGO. This is the guy that was sending 2000 HVO veterans to Izrael to fight for HRHB in Lebanon. ;D And had a bitch fest about the green sidewalks in Sarajevo
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 12:53:32 GMT -5
how is it propaganda. But what pisses me of is that the same Serbs who support a non secular society in Serbia and the RS come here and give us shit for these islamists.. First let them clean up their own yard... Anyways, even if there was a petition against the introduction of religious classes, non the less they did it. You know how? They selected 400 "random" parents and held a "inquiry" as to who wanted it... And now they are banning djeda mraz... and btw djeda mraz is not the same as santa.. santa nikolas is a religious character.. djeda mraz. father frost is more pagan, and came around for the new year... mater im.... during the war Sarajevo had djeda mraz.. Bosniak society was more tolerant secular and normal, during the war then now. yay, indoctrinating children from they are 4 years old, selam fuking alejcum... super, we lost half of our republic to cetniks, what do we do with the rest? Oh I know, make an islamic hell hole this is like from the song by Djordje Balasevic, "Krivi smo mi" Serbs Bosniacs Croats in BiH are in the same govno.. let us be honest with our self, the RS team are cetniks, the herceg bosna team are ustasas, and the bosniak team are either nationalists or islamists... we need a secular republic! with social welfare! a normal state like most other European countries... like lets say France is.. this is getting us nowhere!!
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 12:59:38 GMT -5
Bog, calm the fuck down for a second. For a person who supposedly could care less for BiH you get very easily worked up about it.
How are children "indoctrinated" by the absence of Santa? If anything, excluding him is more secular then vice-versa.
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 13:02:14 GMT -5
They are indoctrinated by vjeronauka.....
Novogodisnji Djeda Mraz! Not Santa, Santa can go kill him self...
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 13:04:07 GMT -5
Well, I dont particularly like religious education in nurseries either, but that's what people should be upset about, not the "banning" of Santa.
Btw, Im still looking for the source, or any article with more information about this. Anyone?
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 13:06:46 GMT -5
there was talk about it on sarajevo-x... so it's true,... he obviously found an article with that "libertas" kreten... so to piss us of... anyways, we need a secular society, lol....
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 13:18:32 GMT -5
Well yes, the public realm should be secular, but again, the religious education thing is what should be the center of the discussion here, not the Santa thing, which I tbh support.
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Post by tito on Nov 27, 2008 13:21:54 GMT -5
Father Christmas delivers presents at Christmas, not for New Year. now they are banning djeda mraz... and btw djeda mraz is not the same as santa.. santa nikolas is a religious character.. djeda mraz. father frost is more pagan, and came around for the new year... Correct, a tradition introduced in by the communist party of Yugoslavia. mater im.... during the war Sarajevo had djeda mraz.. Bosniak society was more tolerant secular and normal, during the war then now. What was considered "normal" during communism is absurd today. Is there any other country in Europe where you have a "commie santa" delivering presents at new years eve? Personally I don’t care, but I can understand why people of all 4 religions in BiH would be opposed to keeping communist traditions alive. yay, indoctrinating children from they are 4 years old, selam fuking alejcum... super How is that a "problem"? let us be honest with our self, the RS team are cetniks, the herceg bosna team are ustasas, and the bosniak team are either nationalists or islamists... The RS-team will per definition always be a cetnik team. But not all serbs are cetniks. Far from all croats in BiH are ustase(40-50% vote for pro-Bosnian political parties). As for the Bosniaks I would say that it is absurd to call the average Bosniak a nationalist. The vehobos sect are islamist, but not the average Bosniak we need a secular republic! with social welfare! a normal state like most other European countries... like lets say France is.. France is not like most European countries, it is an exception, most EU countries are more tolerant towards freedom of religion then BiH. this is getting us nowhere!! Are you suggesting that we should force the citizens of Sarajevo to keep this communist tradition?
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 13:31:27 GMT -5
Freedom of religion, what a joke, we need freedom from religion!
VIVA LA FRANCE then.... the ZAVNOBiH borders of BiH were made by those evil secular yugoslavs, and the only serbs and croats who would ever consider BiH their state are the secular ones, and the ones who support bratstvo jedinstvo...
if BiH is to ever become a normal state, it needs a strong secular state, otherwise the serbs and croats are eventually going to separate when given the right time..
and then we are going to have? Here is what 1/4 of todays BiH and be ruled by Reis Ceric...
yes, those evil Yugoslavs, who made BiH into a modern industrialized state, who gave us the possibility of free health care and free education, the Olympic games... the forth strongest army in europe...
yeah it sure sucked... so super that the SDS and SDA and HDZ won the first elections! Things have been wonderful ever since.
hahaha....
dabogda BiH bude kao Republika Francuska
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Post by bosanskinovi on Nov 27, 2008 13:38:30 GMT -5
Ok, I found the topic on sarajevo-x. I very much agree with this post:
Ova diskusija je puna apsurda. Djed Božiænjak alias sv. Nikola alias Deda Mraz (kako nas nauèava Pincom) je zabranjen u vrtiæima u Sarajevu. Ne znam da li je to bilo dekretom, ili je u Vatikan poslana depeša o zabrani našeg Nike s obzirom da do Nove Godine ima još mjesec dana, znamo samo ono što nas nauèava sajt koji umjeto Duška Dugouška favorizuje Zekoslava Mrkvu. Hele nejse, digla se kuka i motika na osnovu informacije koju je (de)plasirao sajt kojem smeta zeleni trotoar, jerbo ugrožava hrvatsko puèanstvo. Takoðer, digla se isto tako halabuka oko uvoðenja islamske vjeronauke za djecu koja to žele. Apsurd je u sljedeæem: imamo vjerski (islamski element) koji ulazi u vrtiæe i proteste mnogih "sekularista", i imamo izvoðenje vjerskog elementa (kršæanskog) iz vrtiæa i proteste istih tih selkularista, naravno pod pretpostavkom da govorimo o Djedu Božiænjaku kako nas nauèava Pincom. Dva principa za dvije stvari. Takoðer nemamo nikakve proteste kad èlan predsjedništva potpiše sporazum sa Papom da se katolièka vjeronauka uvodi u predškolski uzrast. Ovo nije sarkazam ovo su trostruki standardi. Da se razumijemo, ja sam protiv vjeronauke u vrtiæima, i protiv sv. Nikole, nemam ništa protiv Deda Mraza pod uslovom da to nije Djed Božiænjak, za kojeg Pincom kaže da jeste. A ono što mi se gadi, to su ratno-huškaèki hrvatski mediji koji se nažalost ponašaju i danas po uzoru na Dijanu Èuljak i Smiljka Šagolja.
So no offence Bog but I think you should stop this talk about "tolerance and secularity". Where were your calls for that when the news came out about the spomenik for Pope John Paul II in Sarajevo?
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Post by tito on Nov 27, 2008 13:54:13 GMT -5
Freedom of religion, what a joke, we need freedom from religion! Most EU countries would disagree, and EU is the light. the ZAVNOBiH borders of BiH were made by those evil secular yugoslavs Actually they where made by the Austro-Hungarian occupation government, the communist said in 1943 that they would respect those borders but then in 1946 they gave away almost half of Bosnians coast to Montenegro. and the only serbs and croats who would ever consider BiH their state are the secular ones, and the ones who support bratstvo jedinstvo... The Catholic church is a strong supporter of BiH, or are you suggesting that Croat who was proposed as mayor of Sarajevo by the SDA is not a religious person? if BiH is to ever become a normal state, it needs a strong secular state, otherwise the serbs and croats are eventually going to separate when given the right time.. Yes BiH should continue to be a secular state, but not more secular then the average EU countries. As for the separation of ethnic minorities from BIH, well we are not fascists so we should not force anyone to stay in BiH, as Suljo said: Those who don’t like it, who are still dreaming of a failed project of Greater Serbia, or some Serbian state in Bosnia, can go somewhere else, but they can’t take with them an inch of Bosnian territoryyes, those evil Yugoslavs who gave us the forth strongest army in europe... That army was given to the cetniks who once again committed genocide against us and ethnically cleansed 2/3 of BiH.
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 14:09:22 GMT -5
I called for secularity. Something we do not have now, and without it BiH will fall apart.
To be honest I do not want a spomenik of ivan pavle Mk. 2 in sarajevo...... neka ga slave u vatikanu.. sta ce on nama... ko ga hebe.... sta on ima sa tome da bi ja htio da BiH bude sekularna republika? sta je dobro vatikan uradio za BiH, sve od krizarskih ratnika iz srednjeg vijeka, do NDH? Hvala lijepo.....
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Post by fazlinho on Nov 27, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
Still waiting for the link...
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Post by bob1389 on Nov 27, 2008 14:23:05 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow.
Shocked but sadly not suprised.
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Post by bog on Nov 27, 2008 14:30:08 GMT -5
lol, kako je ziviti u lala-land.... srbi su mislili da mogu da furaju praovlavstvo i cetnistvo, a da ce nekim cudom hrvati i bosnjaci ustati u jugoslaviji.. pa sada im treba pasos za, knin, sarajevo, zagreb,,, Ako vecina bosnjaka nebude za sekularno drustvo u BiH, ala francuska. Onda ce nama trebati za desetak godina pasos za banja luku i zapadni mostar... ...
osim ako nemas neki genijalan plan kako da etnici ocistimo cijelu BiH, onda ti iz cistog rodoljublja predlazem da budez za sekularnu drzavu ala francuska.. inace cemo ga popusiti
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Post by fazlinho on Nov 27, 2008 14:28:57 GMT -5
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