Post by fazlinho on Nov 26, 2008 3:29:03 GMT -5
Why did you take on the language of the SLAVES SLAVE SLAVES? Why did you not rule over the SLAVES SLAVES SLAVES? How did the SLAVES SLAVES SLAVES infiltrate the identity of the mighty & noble Bogomils, Bosnians, Illyrians, Manichees, heretics, pyramid building Stargate people or whatever other tribe/selo you can possibly think of that may have existed in Bosnia, and has nothing remotely in common with your identity?
The language has been called Bosnian Croatian and Serbian by these 3 people respectively since centuries although it really is the language of the Slavs who migrated to these regions who passed it on to the peoples living there.
Actually I probably meant Eyalet. In any case, same difference. All you can do is try to water it down, as you will always need to do with the fact your ancestors were Christians who had far more in common with Serbs. That is if they didn't consider themselves Serbs in the first place, which undeniably them were.
Now I understand, Serbs existence dates since their conversion to Christianity. And Catholics Serbs who existed in the early middle ages are Croats, it's all clear now.
We have nothing in common with Tvrtko? Try again.
Trvtko was a descendant of the first Serbian king, Nemanjic - He had pure Serbian blood. Yes, the slaves had their own kingdom in a foreign land before the Bosnian tribes had anything.
Tvrtko was a Christian - Serbs are Christian & Bosniak’s are Muslim.
Tvrtko hated the Turks – Serbs hate the Turks. Bosniak’s love the Turks.
Tvrtko’s brothers name was Vuk. Vuk is a slav Serbian name. There were no people around yet called Mujo, Haso or Fata. Many of his subjects & people had Serbian names & Serbian identity.
He sent Vlatko to fight the Turks in Kosovo - Present day Bosniaks bend over for the Turks.
Trvtko was a descendant of the first Serbian king, Nemanjic - He had pure Serbian blood. Yes, the slaves had their own kingdom in a foreign land before the Bosnian tribes had anything.
Tvrtko was a Christian - Serbs are Christian & Bosniak’s are Muslim.
Tvrtko hated the Turks – Serbs hate the Turks. Bosniak’s love the Turks.
Tvrtko’s brothers name was Vuk. Vuk is a slav Serbian name. There were no people around yet called Mujo, Haso or Fata. Many of his subjects & people had Serbian names & Serbian identity.
He sent Vlatko to fight the Turks in Kosovo - Present day Bosniaks bend over for the Turks.
His only Serb blood is given by his nana. Man what a pure Serb blood is that lol. As for our ancestors being Christian, we have no problem with it, it's you who have some kind of complexes with other religions. Vuk is a normal Slav name that simply means wolf, who in time became a "Serb" name although it hasn't much of Serbness per se. They probably didn't call Mujo Haso and Fata because those names don't exist even today (except some rare cases for Mujo). As for other names, yeah, Prijezda, Kulin, Tvrtko, Djevena are just common Serb names aren't they? Give me a break. As for their identity, I can see why they would call themselves as Bosniaks - not.
Tvrtko was the King of Serbs (not Bosnians, Bosnjaci, Bushn**g**rs or anything like that)... because Serbian was the dominant identity.
BS, the only documents we have where Bosniaks mention their people, they call it what they are - Bosniaks.
No, Trvtko and the Bosniaks of that era had far more in common with the Serbs. The Serbian identity in Bosnia can be taken back further. A lot of Bosnians in Hercegovina were already identified as Serbs long before that. Hum/Zahumlje & Travunia are described as being populated by Serbs long before.
By people who never stepped into the country - sure.
We could say that Serbs are Travunians now and claim earlier existence. But no, that’s actually what the fundamental Bosniak effort is - to claim identity with a scattered random group of tribes they have nothing in common with. Kunta Kinte.
We don't have to claim or prove anything, it's recorded in History.
These kind of efforts can only water things down. Definitely Bosnia could be described as being divisive with a lack of real identity which the Turks could capitalize on. Stjepan didn’t exactly have things under control. That’s a point that's not in favour of your identity anyway. Don’t presume that we all think it’s that black & white, though most do admittedly… As a general rule though I think I’ll go with the “brutal & corrupt despots depicted in Western writings” option. Do you think devshirme was one of those things that made them look like “better masters?” That it was something Bosnian Serbs & Christians & original Bosniak clans appreciated? What identity did Pasa Sokolovic have before becoming an Ottoman? When they burn Saint Sava’s relics in 1594, was that because the Serbs appreciated their occupation? When they built a tower made of Serbian skulls in Nis in 1809, was that because Serbs appreciated their lower taxes? Were the various Serbian uprisings because they loved the tax system? The Turks were farked up invaders, but they are the exact root of your identity.
When they were unfair to us, we also rebelled. In case you missed it, husein Kapetan Gradascevic is one of our national heroes.
As for all those other things, that's one of your "historical" problems, not ours. But is it our fault? Not really. If you see, all those things happened in Serbia, in Bosnia where there were Bosniak begs and agas, the situation was generally good. The only major rebellion Bosnia ever had was when Bosniak MUSLIMS rebelled. It wasn't Bosniak begs and agas who made songs and prided themselves with killing of Christians, it was Serb kings (istraga poturica). The Turks brought us Islam, other than that, they didn't shape our identity much, as many foreign travelers wrote in their notes and diaries.