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Post by kapetan on Oct 13, 2008 14:20:09 GMT -5
13 October 2008 Sarajevo _ International envoys have expressed concern ahead of an extraordinary session of the Bosnian Serb parliament, where lawmakers will discuss 'all' measures to guarantee the existence of their 'mini-state'.
The session of the National Assembly of the Republika Srpska, scheduled to start on Monday afternoon, will see Bosnian Serb leaders discuss “all legal and political means, including the right to a referendum” for the protection of their entity.
The session was triggered by the speeches which Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) member of country’s tripartite presidency, Haris Silajdzic, gave before the United National General Assembly on September 24, and before the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe on September 30.
Although Silajdzic appeared before the UN and European Union leaders in his official capacity as a representative of Bosnia, he gave his personal speeches since the three members of the presidency were previously unable to agree on joint statements. In the speeches – believed to be timed, if not motivated, by the October 5 local elections – Silajdzic blasted Republika Srpska for genocide committed during the war.
On Friday, Silajdzic openly clashed with the EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn, demanding from him in the middle of a press conference, to identify Bosnian Serbs as the main threat to stability in the country.
Silajdzic’s statements infuriated Bosnian Serb leaders, who called for their National Assembly to discuss the new low in political relations and adopt a declaration that would identify measures – including a referendum on independence – for the protection of Republika Srpska.
Western officials reacted swiftly and aggressively.
“Let me be crystal clear. Bosnia and Herzegovina is a sovereign state; the Republika Srpska is not. Bosnia and Herzegovina’s territorial integrity is settled. These are facts of international law and Bosnia’s constitution,” said the United States ambassador Charles English in his statement on Friday evening.
“My government will not tolerate any challenges, whether they be internal or external, to Bosnia’s sovereignty or territorial integrity.”
“The political leadership in Bosnia and Herzegovina must stop at once for ever with unilateral threats and challenges to the Dayton Peace Agreement and focus instead on European priorities,” said Bosnia’s top international envoy, High representative Miroslav Lajcak in his statement.
“Republika Srpska is an entity, not a state within a state, full stop.”
“Any concrete act contrary to that will be considered crossing the red line.”
Yet the situation deteriorated further after another outburst by the Republika Srpska Premier Milorad Dodik. In an interview for the entity's television network on Friday night, Dodik said he had a prepared scenario for the proclamation of independence of Republika Srpska, in case Bosnia’s High Representative attempts to remove him from office.
Dodik said he would be ready to “wrestle around” with any tanks and other forces which the EU peacekeeping forces and NATO would pull out on the streets; he would then hold an assembly session of the street and declare all Bosnia and Herzegovina laws “null and void.” At the end, Dodik said he would “lead Republika Srpska into independence.”
“If somebody wants to play, let’s play,” Dodik challenged.
This statement prompted a new volley of criticism from both international and other local officials.
Vice-president of the ruling Bosniak Party of democratic Action, Bakir Izetbegovic, over the weekend demanded from the international community to do something about this “before we react.”
In his appearance on Hayat television on Saturday, Lajcak repeatedly refused to say whether he will use his broad governing powers and dismiss both Dodik and Silajdzic on Monday.
So basicly Dodik ismore concerned about himself losing hisjob then RS or Bosniaor the people. He didn't say if they hurt my people or whatever, he says "if the international envoy removes me". Wtf, who does he think he is? Lol
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Post by MiG on Oct 13, 2008 14:21:32 GMT -5
^ Well either way, we're headed for another war in the Balkans. Not even 20 years have passed by and the road to another war is already paved.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 13, 2008 14:26:06 GMT -5
Well when dipshits like him care more about his joband sees himself even above the internationalcommunity.....lol
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Post by srbobran on Oct 13, 2008 15:44:56 GMT -5
Its the Balkans, of course there will be another war soon. There always is.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 13, 2008 15:48:27 GMT -5
There won't be any war, mainly because this time everyone who can will run away from that BS into the West.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 13, 2008 15:54:30 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Oct 13, 2008 16:03:06 GMT -5
There won't be any war, mainly because this time everyone who can will run away from that BS into the West. Nope. Alot will leave maybe, but there will always be more then enough to fight and those who don't want to leave their country. Conflict, maybe not all out war, but conflict definetly coming.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 13, 2008 16:10:28 GMT -5
I would bet my ass no major, but not even minimal conflict will arise.
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Post by whateva on Oct 13, 2008 16:14:46 GMT -5
Kakav referendum kavi li bakraci. Dodik je zabrinut sta ce biti sa RS kad dodje na vlast Obama i kad se malo vise pocne americka administracija mjesat u poslove unutar BiH, pa sad zabrinuti Srbi ko kokos bez glave mlataraju okolo. Cim januar dodje ima da Amerikanci tu kokos zgrabe, ocerupaju i strpaju u lonac.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 13, 2008 16:52:36 GMT -5
There won't be any war, mainly because this time everyone who can will run away from that BS into the West. Nope. Alot will leave maybe, but there will always be more then enough to fight and those who don't want to leave their country. Conflict, maybe not all out war, but conflict definetly coming. I don't want to see war but the status quo is unsustainable, the Europeans can't make a solid decision on there own. If Obama/Biden get in support for Sarajevo and unified unitary state in Bosnia will be strong. No one wants to see war but for sure the cetniks don't have the stomach or desire to defend what they stole during the war. 1992 won't happen again, Serbia won't do what they did in the 1990's and the Federal government in BiH is stronger than at any point in its modern history. Also the Croats in Croatia backed by Mesic would love to humilate the cetniks in BiH. Also the cetniks don't have the stomach for war, they will turn and run like the RSK Krajina moving company, besides a lot of the people in Banja Luka and Western rs already fled from Croatia and don't really consider Bosnia home to begin with.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Oct 13, 2008 17:08:02 GMT -5
Ал си досадан са тим ћетницима! Јебеш ли шта друго сем ћетника?
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 13, 2008 17:25:00 GMT -5
I have doubts as to the possibly of a new war at this point in time. This is just part of the play that has been going on for years. Bosniac Serb and Croat politicians keep throwing stuff around so to stay in power, seen as they all justify their own governance by "protecting" their respective "national interests"
I do not see how the RS could separate, given that at this point in time the Serbian Army does not have offensive capabilities, if they had the capabilities required to give necessary support for the separation of the main areas of the Serb Republic, meaning the north. Then, if they were to posses such capabilities, they would already have re-taken the northern parts of Kosovo where most of the population is Serb.... .... .....
Either way, the armor, most of it, is in Tuzla, and most of the Helicopters are in Sarajevo, I think... Meaning that, if who ever is leading the Bosnian side, if they were smart, something I doubt they will be, but still. If they were, it would make for the impossibility of the secession of the Northern Parts of the RS, the eastern parts have far to harsh terrain for there to be any chance of "restoring government control" should the local population arm them selfs and say that "ovo je srbija" LoL
anyways, the RS has been on the verge of separation ever since 95, if one is to believe Serb politicians, and the total destruction of the RS has been imminent since 95 if one is to believe bosniac politicians, so, I wouldn't worry
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Post by vinjak on Oct 13, 2008 19:28:03 GMT -5
given that at this point in time the Serbian Army does not have offensive capabilities, if they had the capabilities required to give necessary support for the separation of the main areas of the Serb Republic, meaning the north. Then, if they were to posses such capabilities, they would already have re-taken the northern parts of Kosovo where most of the population is Serb.... .... .....
A simple saying that has proved true throught history is...never underestimate your enemy......and ........ always have respect for the enemy. While those sayings are a tad dramatic for this thread they still ring true and answers some of your statement above. You forget that no country in these times conducts a war by themselves there are many states that are in the background with support etc. As far as the North goes, there is a simple answer Kosovo is still a protectorate the Serbian army would efectivley be waging a war against NATO....just aint going to happen, Serbia is a democracy now and this situation is inherited from a dictatorship all fighting will and has been done in the political and legal arenas.
Now back to the topic,
This is all just posturing and reafirming, action and reaction. what has to be acknowledged is that Silajdizic needs to shut the F^%K up and concentrate on running the fed he needs to stop with the threats which are causing Dodik to react and visa versa now would be a perfect time for the people to stand up and to hold massive rallys showing that they want jobs, education etc
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Post by kapetan on Oct 13, 2008 19:32:39 GMT -5
Well we want Bosnia to go to EU...and as they've obviolsly said....it has to be a whole state before it gets in....
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 13, 2008 20:36:49 GMT -5
given that at this point in time the Serbian Army does not have offensive capabilities, if they had the capabilities required to give necessary support for the separation of the main areas of the Serb Republic, meaning the north. Then, if they were to posses such capabilities, they would already have re-taken the northern parts of Kosovo where most of the population is Serb.... .... .....A simple saying that has proved true throught history is...never underestimate your enemy......and ........ always have respect for the enemy. While those sayings are a tad dramatic for this thread they still ring true and answers some of your statement above. You forget that no country in these times conducts a war by themselves there are many states that are in the background with support etc. As far as the North goes, there is a simple answer Kosovo is still a protectorate the Serbian army would efectivley be waging a war against NATO....just aint going to happen, Serbia is a democracy now and this situation is inherited from a dictatorship all fighting will and has been done in the political and legal arenas. Now back to the topic, This is all just posturing and reafirming, action and reaction. what has to be acknowledged is that Silajdizic needs to shut the F^%K up and concentrate on running the fed he needs to stop with the threats which are causing Dodik to react and visa versa now would be a perfect time for the people to stand up and to hold massive rallys showing that they want jobs, education etc I agree with the later part about Silajdzic... Dodik has been the most effective Bosnian leader in recent history whatever side you fall on. I agree Bosnians should demand more, also the ethnic based voting sucks too. You have to be a Bosnian,Croatia or Serbian to represent BiH... Not exactly progressive. Funny thing though the worse off people are the less they vote. When you are worrying were your next meal comes from you really arent so concered with politics.
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Post by givemebeer on Oct 14, 2008 7:46:23 GMT -5
A simple saying that has proved true throught history is...never underestimate your enemy......and ........ always have respect for the enemy. While those sayings are a tad dramatic for this thread they still ring true and answers some of your statement above. You forget that no country in these times conducts a war by themselves there are many states that are in the background with support etc. As far as the North goes, there is a simple answer Kosovo is still a protectorate the Serbian army would efectivley be waging a war against NATO....just aint going to happen, Serbia is a democracy now and this situation is inherited from a dictatorship all fighting will and has been done in the political and legal arenas. For one, no outside force has any interest in the RS, and Bosnia is in a way a EU/NATO protectorate, not to the degree kosovo is, so what I said holds true..... Now back to the topic, This is all just posturing and reafirming, action and reaction. what has to be acknowledged is that Silajdizic needs to shut the F^%K up and concentrate on running the fed he needs to stop with the threats which are causing Dodik to react and visa versa now would be a perfect time for the people to stand up and to hold massive rallys showing that they want jobs, education etc Yes, and you know what would happen if Serb and Bosniac politicians and media stopped with war-mongering, nationalism, and the bringing up of old wounds from past wars in every edition of the newspaper, on every edition of the six'o clock right before the weather forecast, what would be in the news if it was not secession/abolition of RS, and past crimes, what else is there in Bosnia, organized crime, poverty, social injustice.. If the anger of the common Serb/Bosniac/Croat was not directed at the Bosniacs/Serbs/Croats then, then there is a good chance they would be pissed about, said things, such as poverty, lack of proper health care and education, and crime running wild, and then they might hold these massive rallies you mentioned, and what happens then, well, they would turn into angry mobs, and angry mobs do not have a reputation of being nice to politicians who are in power... All in all, there is a reason Dodik is saying the things he says, and there is also a reason bosniac and croat politicians are saying what they say.. But, seen as most of the people are obsessed with nationalism, they have honestly, nothing to fear, there will be no changes, neither will anything change about the RS, neither will the statements change, and a revolt by the population in unthinkable in the foreseeable future... Bosnia is Fucked, and honestly it is the poeple of Bosnia, who are to blame, seen as they are as stupid to vote for the people in power.
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Post by tito on Oct 14, 2008 7:58:07 GMT -5
But, seen as most of the people are obsessed with nationalism, they have honestly, nothing to fear, there will be no changes, neither will anything change about the RS, neither will the statements change, and a revolt by the population in unthinkable in the foreseeable future... Bosnia is f**ked, and honestly it is the poeple of Bosnia, who are to blame, seen as they are as stupid to vote for the people in power. If you check the results of the latest’s elections you will notice that, Dodik and Silajdzic have lost more then 150 000 votes, SDP has gained 50 000 votes and fresh forces like Radom za Boljitak and Nasa Stranka have come out as the main winners of the elections. All thanks to the people of BiH.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 14, 2008 8:43:51 GMT -5
But, seen as most of the people are obsessed with nationalism, they have honestly, nothing to fear, there will be no changes, neither will anything change about the RS, neither will the statements change, and a revolt by the population in unthinkable in the foreseeable future... Bosnia is f**ked, and honestly it is the poeple of Bosnia, who are to blame, seen as they are as stupid to vote for the people in power. If you check the results of the latest’s elections you will notice that, Dodik and Silajdzic have lost more then 150 000 votes, SDP has gained 50 000 votes and fresh forces like Radom za Boljitak and Nasa Stranka have come out as the main winners of the elections. All thanks to the people of BiH. Stop Tito before you give me hope! I give people of Bosnia more credit, I really don't think most of this is there faults, its the legacy of war, communism, the role Europe has played in the lack of development, the Dayton accords, outside meddling in internal affairs. I really don't think the average Bosnian is any more nationalistic than anyone else in the world. Thats just an excuse for why idiots are in power and don't take responsibility for there actions or lack there of.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 14, 2008 8:46:24 GMT -5
given that at this point in time the Serbian Army does not have offensive capabilities, if they had the capabilities required to give necessary support for the separation of the main areas of the Serb Republic, meaning the north. Then, if they were to posses such capabilities, they would already have re-taken the northern parts of Kosovo where most of the population is Serb.... .... .....A simple saying that has proved true throught history is...never underestimate your enemy......and ........ always have respect for the enemy. While those sayings are a tad dramatic for this thread they still ring true and answers some of your statement above. You forget that no country in these times conducts a war by themselves there are many states that are in the background with support etc. As far as the North goes, there is a simple answer Kosovo is still a protectorate the Serbian army would efectivley be waging a war against NATO....just aint going to happen, Serbia is a democracy now and this situation is inherited from a dictatorship all fighting will and has been done in the political and legal arenas. Now back to the topic, This is all just posturing and reafirming, action and reaction. what has to be acknowledged is that Silajdizic needs to shut the F^%K up and concentrate on running the fed he needs to stop with the threats which are causing Dodik to react and visa versa now would be a perfect time for the people to stand up and to hold massive rallys showing that they want jobs, education etc I don't think I give you enough credit, I appreciate your thoughtful responses.
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