YUGOSLAV WARS - PHOTOS

[Caslav Klonimirovic]

Well as confrontational as my above comment may seem, I really don't have that intention. I know that Bosniaks aren't by any means the fanatical nutbags that Muslims are commonly portrayed as being by the West. Those videos of Muslims walking around with beheaded Serbs are Arab volunteers, not Bosniaks... Many Bosniaks such as yourself come across as more or less agnostics, but of course there are obvious reason for that... you have little in common with the rest of the Muslim world... your roots are more strongly tied with Serbs, if not then maybe 'just' Christianity... ...in any case I wont "show Christianity up my arse." Salam Alejkum i Pomoz Bog.

[sweetnugs]

Jul 25, 2008 12:46:23 GMT -5 Caslav Klonimirovic said:

Well as confrontational as my above comment may seem, I really don't have that intention. I know that Bosniaks aren't by any means the fanatical nutbags that Muslims are commonly portrayed as being by the West. Those videos of Muslims walking around with beheaded Serbs are Arab volunteers, not Bosniaks... Many Bosniaks such as yourself come across as more or less agnostics, but of course there are obvious reason for that... you have little in common with the rest of the Muslim world... your roots are more strongly tied with Serbs, if not then maybe 'just' Christianity... ...in any case I wont "show Christianity up my arse." Salam Alejkum i Pomoz Bog.

Trebao si se ispocetka tako izjasniti onda se nebi nako odazvao.

I am just trying to have you understand that telling someone to change their way of life is not seen as welcoming or friendly by any means. Bosniaks today are what they are, Bosniaks. Some of them acknowledge that they have roots in Serbia or Christianity but that doesnt hold an important significance in their life. Its just the way it is. A good explanation is newborn offsprings of Balkan parents that were born in foreign countries. Some of these kids grow up not giving two shits about Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia or religion. To them, those places are just places they visit. I am not saying all are like that, but I keep seeing more of those pop up. Some are even embarrassed to be from Balkan so you can imagine they avoid anything related to it.

Maybe if you understood the way I rationalize things in my head when it comes to ethnic roots and such, you'd realize I'm not quite like most Bosnians, but even with that, many others exist, just like me and we all have to learn how to share BiH with one another. Thats the fate of all three (and more) sides in BiH, learn to work in some type of unity and avoid wars like the plague.

On the roots/ethnic issue.. its quite a bit of a mix so I hope you can understand why I am the way I am.

I see myself as Bosnian only, religion is not an identity card for me. I'm a citizen of BiH, so I consider myself Bosnian, also, I am a citizen of USA so technically, I am Bosnian-American to some. Both of my grandfathers died before I was born, and my great grandfathers both lost lives for the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. I really didn't have anyone to fancy me with folk stories about heroes and etc. I was born in 1981 so I grew up in Sarajevo where names like Ahmed, Nebojsa, Danijel didn't seem three-sided to me at all. My family wasnt communist either, all I remember is that I had a mosque right next to my house and I never went inside of it other than to steal apples from a tree that was right next to it. I never had Islam pushed upon on me, even though both of my grandmothers went to Mecca for hajj and swear by Islam. Family-wise, we're simply tolerant of whatever person-to person chooses to be. If anything, I'd consider 90% of my family culturally Muslim, but Bosnian by definition. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim)

I turned into an Agnostic because I really cannot believe fairytales that I read in the bible and the Kuran, I mean no disrespect to those that do, but this is just how I see things. Roots wise, if someone showed me proof that 600 years ago, someone in my family was a Serb, it really wouldn't hold much significance to me because considering I don't even know my grandfathers, why would it matter to me what someone in my family was 4-5 generations ago?

I've researched my last name quite a bit, and you know what I found out? There are 4 different branches of my last name all over Montenegro, Eastern and Central Bosnia, also in some areas of Slavonija in Croatia as well. Since we're not all related, it doesn't really matter if most of them are of Muslim stock, some exist in Serbia as well but oddly enough, they're all of mixed Serbian-Muslim marriages so you can imagine how mixed up everything is.

I realize I have things in common with Serbs and Croats. No matter what anyone says, we all share one part of the history together (mixed and umixed). I am not like Kusturica by any means, so if someone shows me that someone in my family was once called Mihajlo and had a cross around his neck, I won't freak out. I'll just treat it as a historical element in an idea composed by different sides. I don't dispute one bit that someone, somewhere in my family tree came from different sides, but to me, BiH is shaped by different sides and no one should be allowed to take any piece of it because it belongs to everyone, as BiH alone and not 'Serbian republic of' or 'Croatian republic off'. Beograd and Zagreb need to fuck off already and stop trying to dissect BiH because at the end, the only ones that get screwed over are us, Bosnian Muslims, Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs amongst others who identify by something different.

The identity "Bosnian" to me is what Yugoslav was/is to others. I don't see BiH as a Muslim only land, that would be insane. I just think our people, tj; nas narod svih strana treba da radi vise na toleranciji nego na nacionalizmu koji nas razara. Kada je pocinjao rat u Sarajevo, culo se kako Srbi pricaju 'ne mozemo mi Srbi zivit u gradu punom munara-- this blew my mind considering I grew up in Sarajevo and mosques and churches were just places where everyone from the city went to. I didn't understand what separation meant until middle of the war.

Telling anyone to 'return' to something is always a reason for an argument, unless nationals from BiH learn to respect and tolerate one another, nothing will ever get resolved. I can't return to 'Christianity' because Christianity like Islam, to me is not an important element. It matters to me about as much as an argument between what is rock n roll and what is heavy metal. Its an endless argument that doesn't accomplish anything other than wasted energy.

[Anthologic]

Jul 25, 2008 6:53:45 GMT -5 theblackswans said:

You people are retarded or sick, I have seen the originals and it is from the mid 1990's and looks basically the same. Well before fotoshop, You all are experts in digital photography now?

Also about the hole in the guys back you are experts on war wounds and how the blood would flow from a gaping wound, please!

It was a cover of Dani magazine during the war.

Could you people refrain from sharing your expertise, because you look like f*cking idiots!

I love armchair quaterbacks who read one article or change a picture using photoshop and now you are the "experts".

It wasn't a "battle" unless you consider your heroic cetnik murders of innocent civillians queing up in Sarajevo a "battle".

Wow what a long winded response.

Like I said I do photoshop editing all the time, which is why I spotted it.

My main expertise is track and field, and beating people like you in races. So I guess I am an armchair quarterback, and I should stick to running.

LOL!

[kapetan]

lmao you idiots that image is a screencap from actual footage of the shelling.

nothing is photoshopped lmao these mostly photos from profesional war photographers who were there and have collections on their perssonal sites.

[Anthologic]

I may have been wrong.

edit* I originally thought his torso was too long to be normal, its like almost the length of his legs..

[vinjak]

Nah you wernt wrong its been doctored,
The hole itself looks like from a rifle grenade as its a gapping hole not a tear wound from shrapnel it was an exploding device that caused such a wound.
And as such there would have been blood and tissue all around the body and all around the near vicinity.

But lets say he was running towards the railing and he got the grenade in his side and the explosion blew him into that position there would still be a huge blood trail behind him.
Nah he was either moved into that position or the photo has been doctored.

[MiG]

^ Ever hear of instant rigor mortis? It comes from a shock or blunt trauma caused to the body by something intense (Such as an M203 Grenade hit). It might have been photoshopped, but I don't believe so as he's as stiff as a board, and his blood is accumulating inside of his body.

[bihvojska]

I don't understand the nationalist in BIH, specially Serb and Croats one.....You live in BIH and you are trying to change things for your benefit only and not others, think about it, wont happen you are out numbered, For example if a Serb wants everything in Cyrillic, know that Bosnian Muslims and Croats wont approve it, why try and get in huge mess. People have to learn to work together. Im not a communist fan but if that is the only dam way to make everyone in BIH to identify them selfs as Bosnian no matter of religion then dam, get a communist ruler like tito...the only reason yugo ever worked was cause were forced to recognize each other as Yugoslavians no matter what religion..That will always work but we all wanted a multi ethnic Republic, so fucking make it..its 20th century fucking learned to live together don't be like cave mens and those ppl in Africa......Brother hood and Unity.. By the way those leaders that we having in BIH that are running BIH are all nationalist and aren't doing shit for all the people of BIH but there own ethnic group..Take them all out its about time we change things..

[Zvone]

Tako je bihvojska!

[MiG]

Amen to that bihvojska.

[Boško Buha]

I have seen a change in Croat thinking on this forum

[sweetnugs]

Well said man.

[SKORIC]

Jul 26, 2008 13:23:19 GMT -5 bihvojska said:

I don't understand the nationalist in BIH, specially Serb and Croats one.....You live in BIH and you are trying to change things for your benefit only and not others, think about it, wont happen you are out numbered, For example if a Serb wants everything in Cyrillic, know that Bosnian Muslims and Croats wont approve it, why try and get in huge mess. People have to learn to work together. Im not a communist fan but if that is the only dam way to make everyone in BIH to identify them selfs as Bosnian no matter of religion then dam, get a communist ruler like tito...the only reason yugo ever worked was cause were forced to recognize each other as Yugoslavians no matter what religion..That will always work but we all wanted a multi ethnic Republic, so f**king make it..its 20th century f**king learned to live together don't be like cave mens and those ppl in Africa......Brother hood and Unity.. By the way those leaders that we having in BIH that are running BIH are all nationalist and aren't doing s**t for all the people of BIH but there own ethnic group..Take them all out its about time we change things..

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[Anthologic]

Well... as the Lord of all Reality, it's my obligation to show off my research, here's another news still from another angle;

[Anthologic]

So... it turns out there was a body on the railing, as ugly and unlikely as it is.

[theblackswans]

Jul 27, 2008 21:20:30 GMT -5 Anthologic said:

So... it turns out there was a body on the railing, as ugly and unlikely as it is.

Thanks for your hard work!

[Trazi Vise]

Go and start your own Bih union then bihvojska and see how it pans out.

[CiKoLa]

the only reason yugo ever worked was cause were forced to recognize each other as Yugoslavians

I don't agree with this statement ... and find it rather absurd. Its because such a notion didnt work ie. the forceful adoption of a yugoslav identity, that yugoslavia fell apart, not the other way around.

[meltdown711]

It looks so surreal... I guess thats why it seems doctored.

[Anthologic]

Jul 28, 2008 1:47:03 GMT -5 CiKoLa said:

the only reason yugo ever worked was cause were forced to recognize each other as Yugoslavians

I don't agree with this statement ... and find it rather absurd. Its because such a notion didnt work ie. the forceful adoption of a yugoslav identity, that yugoslavia fell apart, not the other way around.

Yes... but you see, you wouldn't know first hand.