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Post by kapetan on Jul 13, 2008 23:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Jul 13, 2008 23:42:33 GMT -5
^Oh okay, the most noticeble thing that reminded me of albanian is the white fustanella
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Post by kapetan on Jul 13, 2008 23:44:45 GMT -5
Indeed even I haven't seen it that often in our costumes but we have like 10000000000 different kinds.
*cuts the skirt off to avoid confusion*
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 16, 2008 6:31:13 GMT -5
Isn't the fustanella Greek.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 16, 2008 17:46:02 GMT -5
My proof is the fall of RSK, and the takeover of Western BiH from RS. For me to prove it to you, is the most retarded question you've asked. Today's BiH borders would be different had the morale and numbers not been at their maximum. So in other words you cant prove shit and its your "opinion" that the Muslim army had high morale.
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Post by theblackswans on Jul 16, 2008 19:00:34 GMT -5
STOP PROVOKING AND INSULTING MEMBERS THANK YOU
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 16, 2008 19:44:47 GMT -5
I would like to add that even though I have provided sources and proof of my claims, all I get is mindless rhetoric in return. I tire of this.
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Post by MiG on Jul 16, 2008 23:41:25 GMT -5
My proof is the fall of RSK, and the takeover of Western BiH from RS. For me to prove it to you, is the most retarded question you've asked. Today's BiH borders would be different had the morale and numbers not been at their maximum. So in other words you cant prove s**t and its your "opinion" that the Muslim army had high morale. Ma ja. Eto odmah. I would like to add that even though I have provided sources and proof of my claims, all I get is mindless rhetoric in return. I tire of this. Jojjjj jadan ti. Zaboli mene kita sto ti "tire of this".
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 17, 2008 3:16:05 GMT -5
Ma ja. Eto odmah. Not my fault you bring up an abstract thing like morale to a debate about mandatory army service.
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Post by MiG on Jul 17, 2008 13:31:53 GMT -5
Ma ja. Eto odmah. Not my fault you bring up an abstract thing like morale to a debate about mandatory army service. Yeah, you're totally right. How could an Army's morale depend on how much Draftees they have? How could I even begin to connect the two?
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 17, 2008 15:33:51 GMT -5
Yeah, you're totally right. How could an Army's morale depend on how much Draftees they have? How could I even begin to connect the two? There is none. Men are conscripted and if there isn't enough room in the army then they are sent to reserves until a spot becomes vacant.
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Post by MiG on Jul 17, 2008 20:41:14 GMT -5
Yeah, you're totally right. How could an Army's morale depend on how much Draftees they have? How could I even begin to connect the two? There is none. Men are conscripted and if there isn't enough room in the army then they are sent to reserves until a spot becomes vacant. Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? If you seriously think that, you're a kook.
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Post by markosijekira on Jul 18, 2008 1:21:20 GMT -5
"Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? If you seriously think that, you're a kook. "
Yep It certainly played a major roll in the swift collapse of JNA organization. During my fathers days it was an honor to get the call up for service , and a family would throw a fešta in celebration...it was sort of a reaching manhood ritual, the first year in the life of a gušter. But by the late 80s things were looking grim and getting the call for JNA was dreaded, thus conscripts suffered from moral problems, especially when serving in far off places from home like Kosovo. Units suddenly were far below their paper strength due to desertion, which was a big problem.
I remember always looking forward as kid to serve in the JNA, it was family tradition, and I remember going to the Kasarna of the 13th Corps in Rijeka on school field trips, I remember the soldiers having fun showing us around and demonstrating things. If Yugo had not ceased to exist I would have gone career officer like my dad.
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Post by MiG on Jul 18, 2008 1:26:24 GMT -5
"Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? If you seriously think that, you're a kook. " Yep It certainly played a major roll in the swift collapse of JNA organization. During my fathers days it was an honor to get the call up for service , and a family would throw a fešta in celebration...it was sort of a reaching manhood ritual, the first year in the life of*gušter. But by the late 80s things were looking grim and getting the call for JNA was dreaded, thus conscripts suffered from moral problems, especially when serving in far off places from home like Kosovo. Units suddenly were far below their paper strength due to desertion, which was a big problem. I remember always looking forward as kid to serve in the JNA, it was family tradition, and I remember going to the Kasarna of the 13th Corps in Rijeka on school field trips, I remember the soldiers having fun showing us around and demonstrating things. If Yugo had not ceased to exist I would have gone career officer like my dad. Same here dude.
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Post by markosijekira on Jul 18, 2008 1:56:05 GMT -5
You know, I recived my call up for HKV in 1998, I did not go, I was in Berlin at the time. I dont know how i would have felt about answering the call up...the war left a bitter taste in my mouth
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 19, 2008 8:13:52 GMT -5
Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? What does morale have to do with mandatory army service? If you seriously think that, you're a kook. Nah... I don't make food anymore.
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Post by theblackswans on Jul 19, 2008 9:00:56 GMT -5
Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? What does morale have to do with mandatory army service? If you seriously think that, you're a kook. Nah... I don't make food anymore. Are you really that dense that you don't see a connection to morale in an army and conscription? A volunteer force is much more likely to be motivated, engaged and effective than people forced into a conflict.
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Post by Zvone on Jul 19, 2008 10:51:18 GMT -5
I remember a lot of people faking sick not to go. Zivojinovic was in a movie in the 70s where he kept taking someone's urine to prove he was sick. I don't know the movie's name anymore. It had something to do with car racing I believe...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jul 19, 2008 12:53:51 GMT -5
^^^So let me get this straight, some here loved Yugoslavia but then didn't want to go and fight for them or do their service? Don't you think that's a little cowardice?
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Post by MiG on Jul 19, 2008 14:21:26 GMT -5
Err.. Morale has nothing to do with Conscription? Morale has nothing to do with the way an army performs? What does morale have to do with mandatory army service? If you seriously think that, you're a kook. Nah... I don't make food anymore. Morale and Mandatory Service has everything to do with how an army is. Send a guy to the front lines who's scared s**tless and doesn't really want to be there, against someone who's a professional soldier, and is there to defend what he believes in, and see who'll win. Ever read the Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"? Maybe then when you read it, you will begin to understand the weight between tactics, morale, loyalty, and human sacrifice on the battlefield. Until you read that book, don't even fathom about saying anything else military-wise, and stick to the propagandist thoughts of Seselj.
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