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Post by MiG on Jul 20, 2008 22:20:23 GMT -5
People loved what Yugoslavia WAS, not the Serboslavia and s**thole it became in the late 80's and under Milosevic. The Yugoslavia they loved died long before the actual break up. Tito died, Yugoslavia died. And once again, you seem to not realize alot of people just WINGED everything at the beggining. Armed Serb militias popped up, your people start dying, you start firing back it's not rocklet science right away. Amen to that. But it wasn't just winged. The diaspora got involved and knew exactly what they were doing in order to destabilize the nation.
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Post by kapetan on Jul 20, 2008 23:01:24 GMT -5
People loved what Yugoslavia WAS, not the Serboslavia and s**thole it became in the late 80's and under Milosevic. The Yugoslavia they loved died long before the actual break up. Tito died, Yugoslavia died. And once again, you seem to not realize alot of people just WINGED everything at the beggining. Armed Serb militias popped up, your people start dying, you start firing back it's not rocklet science right away. Amen to that. But it wasn't just winged. The diaspora got involved and knew exactly what they were doing in order to destabilize the nation. I meant for regular civilians who were cought up in it. Poeple who were doctors and teachers and had normal jobs and within months they were soldiers on the front line.
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Post by vinjak on Jul 20, 2008 23:27:51 GMT -5
It was through this violent, unilateral change to the 1974 constitution by Serbia that Yugoslavia ceased to exist and not because of secession by Slovenia and Croatia; a Serbian argument that has been accepted by some people in the West.
The Assembly of the SR Serbia passed the new constitution of the republic of Serbia this was done as an emergency measure to the dissolved Kosovo parliments illegal Constitution. And Autonomy was officialy dissolved Juoslavia still had its constitution and still existed.
On June 22 and 23, 1991, the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe stated their support for the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia and the EC foreign ministers (including Germany) voted unanimously not to recognize Slovenia and Croatia if they seceded unilaterally.
In June 1991 Croatia and Slovenia had already declared independence there was no vote of not recognizing Slovenia and Croatia there was a vote by the EC that all options will be exhausted to try to keep a new Jugoslavia together.
Close to the end of 1991 Germany put an easy spin on a complex problem By announcing that Croatias Independence bid is legit and that it needs international support therfore the international community must recognize independence. This turned a complex crisis into a typical plot of Good versus bad it was the only way to validate Germanys wishes. And while Congress took the view of no interpretation to the crisis the main players did a few Senators who where lead by the mutts Dole and Gore
U.S. Secretary of State James Baker visited Belgrade on June 21, for one day, listened to all sides, then declared that the United States opposed the breakup of the country and also opposed the use of force to hold the country together.
No the US did not oppose or agree to the Breakup there official response was that they would support whatever innitative was brought about by a negotiated settlement. Although this was just a spin as the Saudis where already pressuring the US to recognize a future Muslim led European state. A deal was done the US would not object to Croatia and Slovenias recognition and in return Euro states would recognize BiH.
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