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Post by soko on Mar 11, 2009 17:38:11 GMT -5
Was it a mistake to have Kosovo(the parts where Albanians made up more then 2/3s of the population) a part of the SFRJ after ww2.
Yugoslavia was some strange mix of socialism and slavic nationalism, so why on earth did it have those parts of kosovo where Albanians made up the larger parts of the population. I mean what was the point, it only gave a possibility for further division later on in the 80ties, and was used by opportunistic politicians who wanted to get up tensions. The Albanians didn't feel like Yugoslavs, and Yugoslavia didn't look at them as their own, so was it a mistake to not just let those parts of kosovo join Albania.
Anyways, I am not talking about any historical rights or anything like that, honestly, who was there first I couldn't care less. I am talking about 1945.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 11, 2009 18:16:40 GMT -5
Tito gave autonomy to Kosovo and Voivodina to reduce Serbia's political voting influence within Yugoslavia.. It had nothing to do with Albanians or secession.
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Post by donnie on Mar 11, 2009 18:38:35 GMT -5
Hi Soko,
If I look it from my own and my people's perspective, it was morally wrong to include and forcefully "integrate" us into a political union that was created by and made for Slavs, or Yugoslavs. We, being a non-Slav population, resented this idea ever since the occupation in 1912, and '45 was no different.
However, if by this question you're speculating whether YU could've survived without Kosova, then no. YU was not dependant on Kosova for its existance. Some inept semi-scholars have argued that the fault can be deduced to the demonstrations in Kosova in the '80s. This suposedly caused the downfall of YU. Yet they forget that Kosova had experienced troubles previously as well, demonstrations in '68 for instance and so forth. Those did not result in the downfall of YU.
The source and reason to YU's downfall must inevitable be explained by the Federation's mismanaged economy which led to a collapse, resulting in an aggravated populace open to shallow nationalistic rhetorics and the cheap tricks of political opportunism. YU was doomed to fail due to its many unresolved ethnic issues which the wrecked economy helped exposing.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 11, 2009 18:56:19 GMT -5
Hi Donnie, please stick to the topic at hand.
It's ironic you talk about "cheap tricks of political opportunism" since you took the opportunity to disregard the question, and go on talking about a forceful integration.
Soko's own words were
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Post by donnie on Mar 11, 2009 19:00:11 GMT -5
Did you read the whole reply? If you did, you would see that I did stick to the topic, and that I am of the belief that Yugoslavia's disintegration was inevitable and that Kosova's exclusion would not have changed much.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 11, 2009 19:00:57 GMT -5
Was it a mistake to have Kosovo(the parts where Albanians made up more then 2/3s of the population) a part of the SFRJ after ww2. To better answer your question... the territory of Kosovo had been a part of Serbia before WW2, so the leaders of Yugoslavia they didn't see a point to simply giving it away. The political move to fractionize Serbia only happened in 1974, which is when Kosovo was granted autonomy... in the years before that it was simply SR Srbija.
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Post by captainalbania on Mar 21, 2009 13:29:29 GMT -5
>>>the territory of Kosovo had been a part of Serbia before WW2
Yea i dont think so. Serbia occupied that land from Albania in 1912, then by luck managed to keep it because they were on the correct side of WWI.
Thats like saying Germany should take and keep half of Poland because at one point the Prussian Empire extended over there and some germans had lived in the territory.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 21, 2009 15:06:10 GMT -5
Do people on this forum always scramble in a cold sweat to respond to the first sentence they see? Stop going off topic all you Albanians, the question has been answered we don't need anymore references to territorial integrity or ownership (which soko had himself said he doesn't give a shit about).
The reason I said it was there since pre-ww2 is that when all the territories and treaties were signed after WW2, Kosovo was part of Yugoslavia before and after, so there wasn't a decision to be made as to including it in SFRJ (ala the question asked when this thread was started).
Grow up.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 22, 2009 19:02:37 GMT -5
Soko: Was it a mistake to have Kosovo(the parts where Albanians made up more then 2/3s of the population) a part of the SFRJ after ww2.
Yes it was. Forcibly keeping a population which didn't feel Yugoslav was a mistake. I'm with Donnie on this one. However, i would say Yugoslavia was doomed to fail irregardless of Kosovo.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 27, 2009 16:44:54 GMT -5
Soko: Was it a mistake to have Kosovo(the parts where Albanians made up more then 2/3s of the population) a part of the SFRJ after ww2. Yes it was. Forcibly keeping a population which didn't feel Yugoslav was a mistake. I'm with Donnie on this one. However, i would say Yugoslavia was doomed to fail irregardless of Kosovo. Hi there! I could help but notice another Albanian decided to take the route of "Kosovars weren't Yugos". For your information, Insomniac; - Kosovars weren't forcibly kept, they were free to leave. You can ask them. - If you're going to ask anything at all... be sure to ask why they didn't go to Albania. - While you're at it, ask why many Albanian Albanians crossed the border into Kosovo (throughout the 1940s-1990s).
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Post by insomniac on Mar 27, 2009 19:01:18 GMT -5
What an emotional response not worth replying.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 27, 2009 21:01:17 GMT -5
Soko: Was it a mistake to have Kosovo(the parts where Albanians made up more then 2/3s of the population) a part of the SFRJ after ww2. Yes it was. Forcibly keeping a population which didn't feel Yugoslav was a mistake. I'm with Donnie on this one. However, i would say Yugoslavia was doomed to fail irregardless of Kosovo. Hi there! I could help but notice another Albanian decided to take the route of "Kosovars weren't Yugos". For your information, Insomniac; - Kosovars weren't forcibly kept, they were free to leave. You can ask them. - If you're going to ask anything at all... be sure to ask why they didn't go to Albania. - While you're at it, ask why many Albanian Albanians crossed the border into Kosovo (throughout the 1940s-1990s). 3 points. 1) Albanians were forced to leave from Southern Serbia as well as from Kosovo, had options of moving to Turkey and just a few of them to Albania (turkey and serbia had an agreement for that) 2) Question for you...why leave your homeland and go somewhere else? 3) If we take into account how many moved from Albania to Kosovo from 1940s to 1998 it would be less than 1000, trust me, Albania under communist regime let no one out and no one in. (one of the worst regimes on earth when it came to movement) And to end it, you have no clue when you talk about the Balkans as seen time after time again, your hatred for Albanians blinds your eyes and your mind and at that point you fall into the same type of mentality that the average hating chetnik has for the Albos.
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 27, 2009 22:43:28 GMT -5
What an emotional response not worth replying. But you did reply.. LOL
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Post by Anthologic on Mar 27, 2009 22:48:11 GMT -5
Actually, I get annoyed when people don't stick to the topic at hand so I tend to get rude. Nothing racist about it, it's just that by some amazing coincidence, only people of Albanian descent decided to refrain from answering the original question. Go here.
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