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Post by Pejoni on Nov 1, 2007 7:43:17 GMT -5
Kacin: Serbia lost Kosovo in 1999 1 November 2007 | 12:03 | Source: Beta VIENNA -- European Parliament Rapporteur for Serbia Jelko Kacin said that Serbia should accept Kosovo independence. He said that once Serbia recognized the province’s right to self-determination, it could become the motor for the rest of the region in its bid for European integration. Kacin, whose report on Serbia was adopted by the European Parliament last week, told Austrian daily Standard that it was Slobodan Miloševiæ who had deprived Serbia of Kosovo. As far as Serbia’s continued claims to the province were concerned, Kacin said that Kosovo had de facto ceased to be a part of Serbia in 1999, and that that was, he said, “end of story,” “When Miloševiæ repealed Kosovo's autonomous status he effectively severed Kosovo from Serbia. That was a political decision with consequences that Serbia has to come to terms with,” Kacin said. “As soon as it is mature enough to accept Kosovo independence, Serbia will become the epicenter of positive change. Serbia will be able to become the motor of the western Balkans, just as Germany was and remains the motor of the European Union. But, we need to wait and give Serb and Kosovo Albanian officials a chance to negotiate,” he concluded. www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=01&nav_id=45027
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Post by Novi Pazar on Nov 1, 2007 21:37:49 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure whether Kosovo is really lost, but this is Jelko's opinion and l will respect his opinion.
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Post by Sar1389 on Nov 2, 2007 7:14:14 GMT -5
The only thing dumber than his OPINION is believing that you can lose a part of your country because of Milosevic (who died an innocent man).
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Post by Sar1389 on Nov 2, 2007 10:25:05 GMT -5
Well, of course, the new world order, anything goes, but he who giveth, also taketh away.
You Albanians are finding that one out right now. You've been the lap dogs of the Americans for the last 8 years, but they have slowly been shifting away from you. Don't be so sure that Kosovo is yours yet.
And both you and Kacin are wrong about when it was "lost" (if it in fact has been lost).
If it is true, Kosovo was "lost" at the end of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century when your relatives purged the area of Serbs, like my family. The systematic process led to the numbers in your favor today.
The only real blame Serbs have in any of this, is that we did not work harder to raise the Albanian standard of living and outlook for prosperity. If they joined us and the rest of Europe and stopped breeding like maggots, we wouldn't have the problems today. Instead, we allowed you to remain A$$ backward seljaks having 14 kids per family.
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Post by adlun on Nov 2, 2007 12:01:20 GMT -5
Well, of course, the new world order, anything goes, but he who giveth, also taketh away. You Albanians are finding that one out right now. You've been the lap dogs of the Americans for the last 8 years, but they have slowly been shifting away from you. Don't be so sure that Kosovo is yours yet. [glow=red,2,300]And both you and Kacin are wrong about when it was "lost" (if it in fact has been lost).[/glow] If it is true, Kosovo was "lost" at the end of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century when your relatives purged the area of Serbs, like my family. The systematic process led to the numbers in your favor today. The only real blame Serbs have in any of this, is that we did not work harder to raise the Albanian standard of living and outlook for prosperity. If they joined us and the rest of Europe and stopped breeding like maggots, we wouldn't have the problems today. Instead, we allowed you to remain A$$ backward seljaks having 14 kids per family. If something here is "LOST" than it is you, because you said this; Only sick man can say this about Milosevic; (who died an innocent man).
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Post by MiG on Nov 2, 2007 12:25:28 GMT -5
Actually, he died before the final verdict, which mean he died an innocent man, and stayed an innocent man.
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Post by radovic on Nov 2, 2007 12:51:14 GMT -5
All this affirms is tbhat if Kosovo gains independence it will have occured under illegal terms. If we lost it in 1999, it means we lost it due to NATO agression. Forcing a country to cede it's territories through direct agression is a violation of international law.
repect for international law means "No independence to Kosovo."
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Post by Sar1389 on Nov 2, 2007 13:14:41 GMT -5
Only sick man can say this about Milosevic; (who died an innocent man). Listen, I don't expect you to understand the rather mundane concept of innocent until proven guilty, but look it up and if you can read beyond a 1st grade level, you might understand it.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 2, 2007 13:26:43 GMT -5
His just as innocent as Hitler.
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Post by radovic on Nov 2, 2007 13:29:15 GMT -5
What he did isn't comparable to Hitler.
The verdict in the case of Bosnia basically exonerates him. The only thing he is guilty of is doing little or nothing to stop or decrease the violence because he feared it would lead to him falling from power.
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Post by radovic on Nov 2, 2007 14:41:53 GMT -5
BS. Under Tito's communist state you had the tools. So stop saying that your population didn't have such tools.
If Japan doesn't have to feel remorse for what they did in WWII then Serbia shouldn't also, especially since what Serbia did is realticely minor. Serbia has in no way been linked to hwat happenned in Croatia and Bosnia. And often times what is stated is over exagerrated or just plain non-sense. The only open discrimination in Serbia was the firing of Albanians from their jobs in Yugoslavia -- everything else Albanians consented too.
Kosovo is Serbian land.
and what attempts at emtying Kosovo of it's Albanian element. Last time I checked your population there continously increased. Celarly if that land was being emptired that would not be the case.
First of all. After WWI their was investment in Kosovo, however due to the poor state of Kingdom of SHS this didn't mean alot for industrialization. Second of all, after WWII much more was invested. Third of all, after WWII Kosovo became autonomous and as the years went by more money was put into it by money taken from Serbia, Croatia and slovenia and the albanians were given more and more economic control -- and Albanian couldn't improve the erconomy at all. Kosovo was it's self neglected by Albanians.
First of all. The supreme court of Yugoslavia allowed Serbia to do that -- hence it was legal.
Systematic cleansing. Most of the people who fled fled because of violence and fear of violence -- not systematic cleansing. Before NATO bombing damage in Kosovo was relatively minor. The number of peole who fled Kosovo skyrocketed after NATO bombing started. So if Albanians fled that means NATO is responsible.
furthermore. Same goes with deaths. Deaths increased after NATO bombing. Also, the 10,000 figyure is a gross exagerattion. The more probable number is 4,400 deaths counting all deaths related to the bombing and war from the start of hostilities in 1998 to the end of the bombing of 1999.
NATO aggression is the truth. no matter what Albanians claim.
what national assembly?
The Yugoslav courts deemed it constitutional. The other republic did not object until Serbia appointed Serbs to the position of the Kosovo presidency. Before that their was no problem with Kosovo's autonomy revoked.
No I'm speeking of SFRY, FRY, SCG and Serbia. Follwoing international law Kosovo is part of each of those states. Not only that the SFRY constitution mentioned Kosovo specifically as a part of Serbia.
No it isn't. The USSR doesn't exist. And in the same sense that Kosovo would deserve independence then so should Abkhazia, Transdniestria, South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karbakh. All of them basically had the same status as Kosovo in their respective republics in the USSR.
B.S. No butcheting -- the butchering is a lie and a gross exagerration. Furthermore, if the law is changed then I expect the west to fully apply to thye ex-USSR and Republika Srpska. They won't and their is no point. If Kosovo is made independent then it should be a precedent to other areas. If it isn't a precedent then it will not be a change to serve global needs but a change to serve American needs and that in it's self would be illegal as international law exists for all people and nations and not a selected few.
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