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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 4:28:21 GMT -5
Bosnia would be much better without the parasites.....if RShkia were smaller...Ilir is right How is RSB a Parasitic state? It is economically independent from FBIH.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 4:34:21 GMT -5
At least someone got it. I have nothing against Bosnia, but if we in Kosovo cannot get along with 5% Serbian minority what the hell do you expect in Bosnia where half the people are Serbian? It will only lead to a later war. (10 or maybe 20 years from now, they'll always want to separate) In Kosovo there is nothing to separate from, it's only 150,000 Serbs when compared to 2,000,000+. And Insomniac, you can suck it. Let's assume that there are 2,000,000 Shqiptars in the Serbian Province of Kosovo, in that case: Number of Shqiptars in Serbia = 2,000,000. Number of Shqiptars in Serbia = 9,000,000. Shqiptars are clearly the minority.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 18, 2009 5:02:03 GMT -5
Bosnia would be much better without the parasites.....if RShkia were smaller...Ilir is right At least someone got it. I have nothing against Bosnia, but if we in Kosovo cannot get along with 5% Serbian minority what the hell do you expect in Bosnia where half the people are Serbian? It will only lead to a later war. (10 or maybe 20 years from now, they'll always want to separate) In Kosovo there is nothing to separate from, it's only 150,000 Serbs when compared to 2,000,000+. And Insomniac, you can suck it. Now seriously what do you think that we are such idiots? If things would be better that way we wouldn't even have had a war in first place, we'd just let them go. The thing is no, Bosnia is there to stay forever. We never had a problem with them being here, they are the only ones who have a problem with us being here (as you can read by their posts, it's considered quite normal to wish the extermination of the other, it's part of their culture). I don't give a fuck how that territory is called or what flag it has we'll always fight until we'll have the same rights and security they have there. We'll never accept the fact that we aren't in our country in eastern and northern Bosnia, the fact they don't give a fuck about what's in FBiH is their problem, quite frankly, to us it doesn't change a thing, to them IMHO, is just sad and pathetic and shows no pride for the places where you lived since centuries, but if they are ok with it, so be it. I could also use your same argument, I have anything against Kosova, I just don't get if you can't get along with a population of 150000 why the hell do you have to keep them in your state? As much as we don't get along, at least we have a constitution and we know what are the powers of the entities, what are the powers of the state, we have a law that, no matter how bad it is, is respected, while you can't get 150000 ppl to respect the laws of your country, and we are suddenly those who have the major problem? You aren't even recognized by half of the world, not even all of the EU recognizes you, your whole existence is based on the recognition of some big countries, and now we are the ones who have a problem? No matter the blood shed we are recognized even by Serbia, by Croatia, we are in the UN something you'll have to wait a lot of years. If you'll ever join it anyways. What to me is indeed pathetic is you trying to teach others lessons when your same people suffered, and a lot less, what we suffered, and you spit on it like that. I frankly don't have a reason to go talking about issues regarding kosovo but probably to you is more important buttkissing Serbs hoping to "smooth" them instead of having some principles and some balls, saying those who initiate act of ethnic cleansing can never be rewarded. Never ever. That is the reason why even if a monkey can see how all the international law is on the side of Serbia regarding the Kosovo issue they can't use that excuse when someone tries to wipe out a people and I stand by that. But please go on, next time you might take a piss on some mass grave in eastern Bosnia saying "oh well get over it, it's better this way".
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 5:07:48 GMT -5
Now seriously what do you think that we are such idiots? If things would be better that way we wouldn't even have had a war in first place, we'd just let them go. The thing is no, Bosnia is there to stay forever. We never had a problem with them being here, they are the only ones who have a problem with us being here (as you can read by their posts, it's considered quite normal to wish the extermination of the other, it's part of their culture). I don't give a f**k how that territory is called or what flag it has we'll always fight until we'll have the same rights and security they have there. We'll never accept the fact that we aren't in our country in eastern and northern Bosnia, the fact they don't give a f**k about what's in FBiH is their problem, quite frankly, to us it doesn't change a thing, to them IMHO, is just sad and pathetic and shows no pride for the places where you lived since centuries, but if they are ok with it, so be it. Muslims drew first blood or did you forget about the wedding massacre? Stop feigning as if the Muslims in Bosnia aren't savages, no one is getting fooled. Perhaps you should do as your brothers in Serbia do and accept Orthodox Christian rule, only good can come from it.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 18, 2009 5:16:08 GMT -5
At least no serious person ever used the tragic killing of 2 people by a criminal who was later convicted to justify Serb horrors, when a lot of time before mosques were shot at, Bosniaks beaten up, and a whole village erased. Thank God the truth is there for everyone to see, no matter the amount of BS you can spew to wash your conscience, which will never be as it was. The day I'll see my brothers in Serbia that is Bosniaks in Sandzak accept Orthodox Christianity, I'll be happy for them, to me Islam is well enough. Let everyone choose what best suits them
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 5:29:41 GMT -5
At least no serious person ever used the tragic killing of 2 people by a criminal who was later convicted to justify Serb horrors, when a lot of time before mosques were shot at, Bosniaks beaten up, and a whole village erased. Thank God the truth is there for everyone to see, no matter the amount of BS you can spew to wash your conscience, which will never be as it was. The day I'll see my brothers in Serbia that is Bosniaks in Sandzak accept Orthodox Christianity, I'll be happy for them, to me Islam is well enough. Let everyone choose what best suits them You argue that the crimes of Muslims are somehow better than the crimes of Serbs? Are you out of your mind?
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 18, 2009 7:32:34 GMT -5
No killing is "better" than another killing, or better, no killing of an innocent is better than the killing of another one. What differentiates the conduct of different sides during a war is the number of those crimes, the aims behind it, whether they were organized crimes or conducted by isolated bands, whether those crimes are celebrated by people and so on.
So yes, unfortunately for you, history will always teach about Serbian terror against Bosniak in the 90s (as I myself witnessed in high school in the west). You get what you deserve.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 9:41:49 GMT -5
No killing is "better" than another killing, or better, no killing of an innocent is better than the killing of another one. What differentiates the conduct of different sides during a war is the number of those crimes, the aims behind it, whether they were organized crimes or conducted by isolated bands, whether those crimes are celebrated by people and so on. So yes, unfortunately for you, history will always teach about Serbian terror against Bosniak in the 90s (as I myself witnessed in high school in the west). Well, my ignorant little Monkey, Serb crimes were mainly directed against POWs whereas Muslims crimes were mainly directed against civilians. As for how isolated the crimes by either side were, that is near impossible to tell because no one has seriously investigated these crimes. You get what you deserve. We Serbs don't have complete control and ownership over Krajina, Bosnia and Kosovo so your thesis is incorrect.
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 18, 2009 10:16:40 GMT -5
fazlinho, you are taking it wrong buddy
No one is saying RS as it is should be ceded away, but only in the case it was pre-ethnic cleansing, ie 30% not 49%
You Bosniaks (and BIH Croats) would be (I stress would be) much better and happier without the scum infesting your country,
Somehow they will try to ruin Bosnia as it is in any way they can, just like they are doing with Kosovo
And yes, many Albanians would gladly give the North Ibar territories away...in exchange for Presevo valley that is
that's just my 0,02 $
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 18, 2009 10:17:34 GMT -5
Pathetic, when someone can't hold a conversation, he restores to insults. Believe whatever you wish to believe, facts are there for everyone to see.
(reffered to zadnji, not you gustave)
Gustave, you need to understand that to us Bosnia is not made up of the territories Bosniaks inhabit, it's from the Sava to the river Una, from the Drina to the sea. What you say it 100% true and I don't see how can anyone deny we'd control more functionally a 100% Bosniak state. But we don't want that. We fought for Bosnia and Herzegovina all the time, not for our share of a land that's inhabited by us. If we wanted to split Bosnia we could have done it any single day from 1 April 1992 until now. That's all they dream at night anyways. But we don't care about a Bosniak state. I don't care who'll live in Bosnia in 1000 years, probably Chinese people or Africans judging by the current birth rates, we care about maintaining Bosnia for what it is known in the world, a place of different cultures and toleration, no matter the recent past. We are a people who received our name from a land instead of giving our name to a land, like Italians or Spaniards, and it's borders and integrity is more important than a 100% national state. National states are fading anyways, and who can't understand it is doomed to fail. If we cared about the people only we'd lay claims to Sandzak and parts of Kosovo but I say let us prosper in those countries too! Why the hell do I need to have a state for myself only? I frankly wish everyone to live happy wherever they want, we are used to share our country with others. There's a reason if churches stayed intact in our cities and there's a reason if all the mosques of Banja Luka were leveled to the ground in one night only. Yes, many churches were damaged yes. Many innocent Serbs did die. Now it's on others to judge if the fact churches were never leveled to the ground as mosques were, if some Serbs died while they committed a whole genocide are to be considered equal, and which side can really hold the higher moral ground. I think the world has already made the verdict.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 18, 2009 10:22:05 GMT -5
fazlinho, you are taking it wrong buddy No one is saying RS as it is should be ceded away Actually ilir did.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 10:27:49 GMT -5
Pathetic, when someone can't hold a conversation, he restores to insults. Believe whatever you wish to believe, facts are there for everyone to see. (reffered to zadnji, not you gustave) You are the one who baselessly accused Serbs of genocide. And I offered you rebuttals but obviously you are unable to read because of the crappy education you got in FBIH. Oh and no "Serbian" soldiers were in western Bosnia during the war nor is there such a thing as "Bosniaks". Please be more careful with your language in the future.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 18, 2009 10:39:36 GMT -5
You are really a sad person. While people like skoric, just to take him as an example as he posted here,hold really high even chetniks, I don't mind, they don't do it in the denial of their people's crimes, while all you constantly do is deny the bad things about your people and pointing out the bad about others. Frankly, it's Serbs like you who suit our policies the most, while people like Tadic, just to point out what I mean, are the ones who we should "fear" the most.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 11:59:15 GMT -5
You are really a sad person. While people like skoric, just to take him as an example as he posted here,hold really high even chetniks, I don't mind, they don't do it in the denial of their people's crimes, while all you constantly do is deny the bad things about your people and pointing out the bad about others. Frankly, it's Serbs like you who suit our policies the most, while people like Tadic, just to point out what I mean, are the ones who we should "fear" the most. You're unintelligible.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2009 13:39:42 GMT -5
fazlinho, you are taking it wrong buddy No one is saying RS as it is should be ceded away Actually ilir did. Actually Ilirdardani does not represent Albanians or any nation for that matter. That is just his individual opinion. He is not even from Albania but Kosovo. Therefore, he is not even a citizen with voting rights. Again, we should not be held responsible for the opinion of one individual. Hopefully, fazlinho understands and sees through that.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2009 13:46:32 GMT -5
lol insomniac seems to like Croats and Boslims more then his fellow Albanians. I like anybody who I find reasonable. Just because someone is of certain ethnicity does not mean, i will take his side. He can be an idiot for all i care.
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 18, 2009 13:47:22 GMT -5
I didnt say he represents all Albanians. Gustave said " No one is saying RS as it is should be ceded away" and i said ilir did. Since he is indeed someone here who is saying that. lol insomniac seems to like Croats and Boslims more then his fellow Albanians. I like anybody who I find reasonable. Just because someone is of certain ethnicity does not mean, i will take his side. He can be an idiot for all i care. Ok then ...Croat-Boslim wannabe ;D
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2009 13:49:52 GMT -5
Oh Ok, in that case you were not wrong just stating the obvious.
Just wanted to clarify it for the others in this forum.
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 18, 2009 13:50:16 GMT -5
Actually Ilirdardani does not represent Albanians or any nation for that matter. Because most other Shqiptars are much more bloodthirsty? I like anybody who I find reasonable. Just because someone is of certain ethnicity does not mean, i will take his side. He can be an idiot for all i care. Aren't you the Shqiptar who claimed my opinion was irrelevant because another Serb disagreed with me? In any case, no Shqiptar on this forum has any real dissenting opinions.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 18, 2009 13:53:39 GMT -5
Ok then ...Croat-Boslim wannabe
Not really. I was born in Albania and still have double citizenship (canadian + albanian). I am a patriot(not nationalist) about the place i was born which shaped. Therefore im proud of my heritage. My father works there. My family is there.
Now tell me Skoric, Would you rather have a friend who is an idiot(but he is Serbian) or a friend who is reasonable (but he is Bosnian muslim)?
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