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Post by SKORIC on Apr 19, 2009 11:16:48 GMT -5
I dont want to hear about your fetishes..
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Post by karabin on Apr 19, 2009 11:30:23 GMT -5
And in real life i would slap the fuk out of your bald face. Go shove it now.
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Post by karabin on Apr 19, 2009 11:48:34 GMT -5
As long as the cetnitet continues to exist, Bosnia will experience troubles in building up a normal and functional state. But it isn't an impossibility. During the war, Serbs controlled seventy per cent of the territory, now it is forty nine per cent.Tomorrow it might be less considering the severe demographic decline of the Serb populace. And that is purely thanks to NATO. Unfortunately i always need to quote NATO Operation Deliberate Force since people here either do not know about it or deliberately choose to ignore it 1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and HerzegovinaThe 1995 NATO bombing in Bosnia and Herzegovina (code-named by NATO Operation Deliberate Force) was a sustained air campaign conducted by the North-Atlantic military organization to undermine the military capability of the Bosnian Serb ArmyThe operation was carried out between August 30 and September 20, 1995, involving 400 aircraft and 5000 personnel from 15 nations. During the campaign, a total of 3515 sorties were flown against 338 individual targets. This was how Muslims got their 51% and how we were forced to give up those 70+% that we held. Western military might of 15 nations fought for them. Let us now see how Albanians obtained Kosovo. 1999 NATO bombing of YugoslaviaNATO Operation Allied Forcewas NATO's military operation against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia during the Kosovo War. The strikes lasted from March 24, 1999 to June 11, 1999. NATO's bombing campaign involved 1,000 aircraft operating from air bases in Italy, and the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt The USA was the dominant member of the coalition against Serbia, although all NATO members were involved. Operation Allied Force predominantly used a large-scale air campaign to destroy Serbian military infrastructure. Strategic targets, such as bridges and factories, were also bombed. Long-range cruise missiles were used to hit heavily defended targets, such as strategic installations in Belgrade and Priština. During the ten weeks (78 days) of the conflict, NATO aircraft flew over 38,000 combat missionsNow I know you like to ignore these small facts but reality is, if it wasn't for NATO, both BiH and Kosovo would be under full Serbian control today.
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Post by donnie on Apr 19, 2009 18:15:43 GMT -5
It would've sufficed if you wrote that instead of giving a whole review. I never contended that Nato is to thank for the independence of Kosova or Bosnia.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 19, 2009 18:33:40 GMT -5
^^^^^ Ilir What is important here is that you are not of the "Herd Mentality" unlike many that are here, I disagree with you many times and about many things but at least you display your own thoughts. I have found amusing how some idiot claims you are not representative of the Albanians LMAO I didnt know that Albanians as a whole have this Herd Mentality but i somehow doubt it, its just the knuckleheads on this forum. Haha...
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Post by soko on Apr 19, 2009 18:33:55 GMT -5
As long as the cetnitet continues to exist, Bosnia will experience troubles in building up a normal and functional state. But it isn't an impossibility. During the war, Serbs controlled seventy per cent of the territory, now it is forty nine per cent.Tomorrow it might be less considering the severe demographic decline of the Serb populace. And that is purely thanks to NATO. Unfortunately i always need to quote NATO Operation Deliberate Force since people here either do not know about it or deliberately choose to ignore it Now I know you like to ignore these small facts but reality is, if it wasn't for NATO, both BiH and Kosovo would be under full Serbian control today. Yeah, and if it wasn't for the quasi-JNA handing out arms to Serb paramilitaries, and later turning into the VRS, with weapons that had ironically enough also been paid for by Croat and Bosniac tax payers, likelihood is the Serb republics would have represented the percentage of Serbs in those said countries... And hell, if the JNA had done its job instead of selling out the country in favor of the largest ethnic groups nationalist politicians, and cracked down on all the establishing nationalist paramilitaries, chances are we wouldn't be third world now. So whats your effing point? Anyways, Kosovo gaining its Independence is bad news for Bosnia, for one simple fact, kosovo was entirely made by the west. Serbia doesn't even need kosovo, and it hardly gets anything good from kosovo, but seen as the current nationalism is justified on history from medieval times, and seen as kosovo was Serb back then, public opinion gets a hard on when kosovo is mentioned in Serbia.. So the west, should they ever have the need to "appease" the Serbs for their loss of kosovo, they might, just might give them half of Bosnia, leaving us fvcked.. us Bosniacs being happy about Serbia "loosing" kosovo last year, is as dumb as being happy about that your ex girl friend that cheated on you just found out she has AIDS, because that news might, just might also fvck you over
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Post by insomniac on Apr 19, 2009 18:39:21 GMT -5
Soko, its not the same man. The West will support Bosnia regardless of Kosovo. There is really no double standard in this. Your analogy of the aids is wrong.
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Post by donnie on Apr 19, 2009 18:45:55 GMT -5
Soko,
Made up? In what sense?
I don't think there is a paralell between Kosova and RS. The latter is a purely artificial creation, demographically and politically so. Kosova has some political tradition of being an autonomous unit under Tito's era, and as a distinct ethno-geographic entity with its separate development in history from Serbia. The same cannot be said of RS in regards to Bosnia. RS never existed prior to the war. Its demographics is also the artificial result of ethnic cleansing and massacres. Having these things in mind, I don't think the two situations can be paralellized and compared.
But, arguing from a realistic POV, all this doesn't matter. If there is a strong international support for the dissolvement of BiH, it will happen, regardless of Kosova's political status. All this talk about Kova setting a precedent is smoke screen used to argue against Kosova's independence. In reality, we've seen that the "great wave" of separatist wars that were to come following our declaration of independence, never came. South Ossetia is an exception which might've come either way as the roots to this conflict are unrelated to Kosova and carries a geo-strategic mark of its own.
To my understanding, BiH will continue to remain like now, rather paralyzed as a state .. there is no great international support for RS independence, and Bosnia will and would've continued along its unique and individual path even if we didn't declare and achieve independence.
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Post by soko on Apr 19, 2009 19:01:21 GMT -5
^^ Not made up, made by... as in, they gave the UCK the green light, and about a 1000 fighterplanes I am not talking about no effing "precedent", seen as there are no "precedents" in wars..
I'm just saying, that atm Serbs are not that fond of the west, and if, for some reason the west needed the Serbia, seen as there are 4x more of them then Bosniacs, then they just might give them half of Bosnia, and if they did, you bet that most Serbs would start kissing western asz and hailing them as "Christian brothers", and a 100% pro western serb government would then perhaps get support from the random srbijanac...
as for kosovo, for me personally only bad can come out of it, seen as the chance that we will be handed on a silver plate for slaughter has increased by this happening..
as for kosovo, i dont fvckin care... both milosevics government, and the uck leadership are a bunch of gangsters.... both are inhuman.. both committed ethnic cleansing, killed POWs, cut of the heads of grandmothers, and raped young girls.. so at the current time, kosovo being either in serb government hands, or in the UCK leadership hands equals to the same human suffering, and honestly its all the same s**t... your leadership the UCK is fvcing you over, and turning the land of your forfathers into a crimehole, and the cetnik "patriots" of the 1990s fvcked the serbian people over, killing of their sons in meaningless wars, so that they might get the spoils of war, or keep some province where there are almost no serbs, just to justify their nationalism policies...
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Post by donnie on Apr 19, 2009 19:22:18 GMT -5
Soko,
Well, you're entitled to believe whatever you wish to believe. I just frown over the fact that you equal UCK to the Serbian government of Milosevic. Are you implying that you Bosniaks are entirely guilt free? I believe Serbs suffered far lower casualties in Kosova than in Bosnia, just as in World War Two. As for rapes; if Albanians raped Serbs, these were sporadic acts of villains, and not as in the case of the Serbs, a systematic campaign aimed to degrade and demoralize an entire populace. And I won't even comment that shyt about decapitated grandmas, where did you get that?
Perhaps Kosova is indeed in a bad shape today, but it's better than it was ten years ago. I've been visiting my homeland ever since the war ended, and I've visually seen the progress and improvement. There is prospect, there is optimism. Unlike in Bosnia. Until your status quo changes, you will stagnate, or worse. This as long as the cetnitet continues to thrive as a tumour inside your body.
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Post by soko on Apr 19, 2009 19:37:01 GMT -5
^^ I equal the serb political leadership and the UCK leadership, since they are the same shit.. hell, I'm sure you can equal all the politicari from the balkans... you and the serbs are in the same boat, you are bound to live next to each other, and killing each other over ancient BS isn't getting any of the Balkanci anywhere...
do you understand bosnian? is yes, listen to this, lolz...
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Post by donnie on Apr 19, 2009 19:42:00 GMT -5
Well, if you consider all the politicians from the Balkans as the same shyt, including your own, why didn't you say so? Still, I don't think anyone matches the cruelty of the Serbian state in the nineties.
I don't see how. Kosova is over ninety per cent Albanian, we'll probably be trying to gain membership in the same big exclusive clubs in some near/distant future ... it's you who will have to deal with a sizeable Serbian minority inside your state continuously wishing to destabilize Bosnia. I wish you the best of luck.
No. But I can guess what it is about ...
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 19:49:22 GMT -5
In no way, shape or form are Serb politicians anything like the Parasitic politicians. I can't believe we're even arguing this. It's like arguing whether or not Ghandi was a warmongering tyrant.
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Post by donnie on Apr 19, 2009 19:55:20 GMT -5
In no way, shape or form are Serb politicians anything like the Parasitic politicians. I can't believe we're even arguing this. It's like arguing whether or not Ghandi was a warmongering tyrant. Talk about being a dickless manslvt always craving for attention ...
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 19, 2009 19:58:00 GMT -5
Stop fantasizing about me, Parasite.
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