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Post by kapetan on Oct 3, 2008 0:18:47 GMT -5
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Post by karabin on Oct 3, 2008 1:01:06 GMT -5
Either way we arranged a meeting between them and allah. Too bad those 19 virgins did not work out as planned.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 3, 2008 1:04:11 GMT -5
I'm sure "you" did.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 3, 2008 1:06:02 GMT -5
Whats your point kapetan? They either get killed rather than being captured?
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Post by kapetan on Oct 3, 2008 1:34:04 GMT -5
Whats your point kapetan? They either get killed rather than being captured? my sarcastic way of saying..getting cought with that patch that name...probly not the best thing after the history of ww2
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Post by tito on Oct 3, 2008 3:53:23 GMT -5
Any more info on this "division"?
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Post by ccccnjegoscccc on Oct 3, 2008 9:23:08 GMT -5
^ They killed Serb civilians.
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Post by tito on Oct 3, 2008 9:36:01 GMT -5
^ They killed Serb civilians. When and where? I have never heard about this new Handzar “division” before.
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Post by fazlinho on Oct 3, 2008 9:37:03 GMT -5
Pa to nam je i nacionalni sport, jedemo Srpsku djecu za doručak svakog dana, tako da nije ništa novo. Pitao je za dodatne informacije.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 3, 2008 14:08:19 GMT -5
Any more info on this "division"? Honestly no, that patch is about the only proof of its existence as far as I know.
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Post by tito on Oct 3, 2008 14:16:56 GMT -5
Any more info on this "division"? Honestly no, that patch is about the only proof of its existence as far as I know. Ok, in that case my guess is that it was probably some small(maybe even informal) unit inside one of the brigades belonging the 5. korpus: www.armijabih.com/oznake-5.korpus/pl_images/PDVD_037.BMP The patch also looks strange compared to the original Handzar SS patch from WW2.
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Post by kapetan on Oct 3, 2008 14:22:56 GMT -5
Why is it strange? It's just the same name, not gonna be the same design and everything. I dont think they were trying to say "hey we're Nazis" lol.
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Post by tito on Oct 3, 2008 14:54:26 GMT -5
It has 2 "handzars" instead of 1.. a more appropriate name to that patch would be "Handzari".
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 3, 2008 18:42:52 GMT -5
^ They killed Serb civilians. When and where? I have never heard about this new Handzar “division” before. I am working on a book about ABiH units and insignia's. It was never an actual "division" size force during the war in the 1990's. It was a small informal unit of specialists, no links to killing Serbian civillians or anything like that. It was never approved of by the formal ABiH structures in Sarajevo. There were many units especially in early 1992 that predated the formation of ABiH and had very interesting insignias used by the units. Also There were some HVO units aligned with the ABiH in 1992 before the split that used Nazi symbolism.
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Post by tito on Oct 3, 2008 19:00:22 GMT -5
I am working on a book about ABiH units and insignia's. It was never an actual "division" size force during the war in the 1990's. It was a small informal unit of specialists, no links to killing Serbian civillians or anything like that. It was never approved of by the formal ABiH structures in Sarajevo. Then maybe you can tell us where the unite was located?
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Post by vinjak on Oct 3, 2008 19:00:29 GMT -5
There where many of these sort of units operating throught Bosnia it usualy consisted of members from Villages. All sides had them Serbs,Croats Bosniaks. Sometimes they where mistaken for Parramilitary units but all of them where just a bunch of thugs, some though got absorbed into different Parramilitary formations.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 3, 2008 19:46:36 GMT -5
I am working on a book about ABiH units and insignia's. It was never an actual "division" size force during the war in the 1990's. It was a small informal unit of specialists, no links to killing Serbian civillians or anything like that. It was never approved of by the formal ABiH structures in Sarajevo. Then maybe you can tell us where the unite was located? My understanding it was a special operations unit, that it was used in many different theatres of the Bosnian war around central Bosnia Travnik, Zenica, Mostar, Bihac. It was in some ways similar to the 7th Muslim Brigade, 17th viteska brigade or the blackswans. These units were used to help solidify Bosniak positions for larger operations or in conjunction with other units. I have not been able to verify this information as yet. Also I believe they were based out of the Bihac pocket. Nothing sinister about this unit, just more likely to strike fear in the enemy like the Blackswans or Arkan's Tigers.
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Post by theblackswans on Oct 3, 2008 19:50:44 GMT -5
ABiH designation of units is sometimes very confusing. Such as mountain brigade actually just signifies that the units were not well armed and supported logistically.
Also the designation 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and 8th Korpus didn't always signify connection to a Korpus based in a specific region. There was a 300th designation based out of Sarajevo as well as units designated from 1-100 based out of Tuzla as well as the creation of the 6th Korpus were units redisgnated from the 4th Korpus and the same is true of the 3rd Korpus and 7th Korpus.
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Post by sweetnugs on Oct 3, 2008 20:27:23 GMT -5
There where many of these sort of units operating throught Bosnia it usualy consisted of members from Villages. All sides had them Serbs,Croats Bosniaks. Sometimes they where mistaken for Parramilitary units but all of them where just a bunch of thugs, some though got absorbed into different Parramilitary formations. I agree. The reason why we had so many inhumane crimes committed during the war was exactly because of those 'organized thugs' and criminals who took the matter into their own hands. A good example iz Caco from Sarajevo. Although he was 100% pro Bosniak and all, he didn't hesitate to slaughter Bosniacs, Croats and Serbs in Sarajevo who worked for the government and tried to kill him (they succeeded later, a hit ordered by Izetbegovic). Same goes for some Serbs and in whatever formation they ended up. Some leaders forced their soldiers to rape specifically Muslim women and such. One would have to be insane to think that every Serb was as insane and inhuman as those that committed such crimes and promoted them. I forget the name of the Serb soldier who didn't want to participate in the massacre in Srebrenica and was at point threatened to be killed by his commander if he didn't proceed with the order. Thats just one case. Case point, war is ugly. For all sides.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 3, 2008 22:42:44 GMT -5
aha I get you kapetan...
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