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Post by tito on Dec 5, 2008 17:52:35 GMT -5
Could you, or any other of the BiH patriJote for that matter please explain to me what the meaning of this glorious war was? To the defenders of BiH self-defence, to the aggressors obviously aggression on BiH. And people are conscripted into armies, if any of you had been in the "APZB" you would have fought for Abdic, hell if you had been forcibly conscripted into the VRS's only Muslim brigade you probably would have fought for them as well That’s BS since those where illegal terrorist armies which all citizens of BiH had an obligation to resist. Abdic was an A*****e who wanted to grow rich out of other peoples suffering, but guess what, so were 90% of the leadership of our 3 respective ethnic groups... Only an enemy of BiH would attempt to equalize the aggressors with the defenders of BiH. All that talk about nation/religion/ethnicity/history is just used to get normal people warmed up into a nationalist frenzy That makes no sense at all since Fikret Abidic was of the same nationality, religion and ethnicity. Other funny things are that the SDA - SDS and HDZ made a coalition against the social democrats and reformists, or perhaps they were still communist then.. Funny how? So yes, this war was in my opinion totally meaningless, as are most war that have been fought in history. Abdic, along with the rest of exyu politicari, as for Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic... That’s no explanation at all, only a desperate attempt to equalize the defenders of BiH with the aggressors. That a Bosniac had little issues with killing other Bosnaics just so to get power that he would use for him self should show how meaningless this war was... Abdic never considered himself a Bosniak, anyway one can not proclaim a war as “meaningless” just because Abdic chose to join the aggressors and fight against the Bosnian army.
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Post by tito on Dec 5, 2008 18:06:22 GMT -5
You mean the anti-Bosnian troops of Fikret Abidc? I heard ARBIH troops. Da ti nisi Vikretovac? ;D That would explain your pro-cetnik point of view on everything you write here.
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Post by tito on Dec 5, 2008 18:39:01 GMT -5
Yep Bog, all politicians were s**te during the war, even Muhammad’s reincarnation Izetbegovic. As soon as we realize that we can move from stupid nationalism that is slowing our future prospects. To equalize Izetbegovic with the enemies of BiH is to send out the message to future generations that it is somehow okay to join anti-bosnian terrorist armies such as Karadzics, Bobans and Abdics. It is to legalize genocidal nationalism and the aggression committed against BiH.
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 5, 2008 22:35:45 GMT -5
I never spoke of this often here as well it's a little sensitive. But really I have no comment as after all everyone collaborated with everyone, whether people know it as fact or not. Alot has been covered up under other guises; though this was more open. Moral of the story, don't trust anyone :-) Never trust anyone! Spoken like a true Croat! LOL!!!!!!!!!
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Post by theblackswans on Dec 5, 2008 22:44:36 GMT -5
Yep Bog, all politicians were s**te during the war, even Muhammad’s reincarnation Izetbegovic. As soon as we realize that we can move from stupid nationalism that is slowing our future prospects. To equalize Izetbegovic with the enemies of BiH is to send out the message to future generations that it is somehow okay to join anti-bosnian terrorist armies such as Karadzics, Bobans and Abdics. It is to legalize genocidal nationalism and the aggression committed against BiH. True Izetbegovic was flawed and his leadership during the had many failings but he wasn't a war criminal and he wasn't anything like the tudjman or milosevic and he never shared there racist beliefs. He may have supported a muslim Bosnia but not at any means which would include genocide and mass killings of innocents. Abdic was a criminal before the war and was a political oppertunist and a businessman. He saw the oppertunity to futher his agenda and he took it. He like many Serbs and Croats supported and united, unitary state in 1992.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 6, 2008 1:05:31 GMT -5
I swear many people here still have Dementia and selective memories.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 6, 2008 1:10:12 GMT -5
One mans traitor is another mans hero. So it goes through the ages
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Post by fazlinho on Dec 6, 2008 4:56:58 GMT -5
Oh please fuck off I'm sure if some Croats sided with Chetniks you'd throw flowers at them.
He's a hero to some people in Velika Kladusa only
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 6, 2008 5:17:24 GMT -5
^^^As a mod, shouldn't you be speaking in a nicer manner to the non members? I'm sick of reding f this and f that. Have some respect already.
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Post by tito on Dec 6, 2008 5:21:56 GMT -5
Have some respect already. Enemies of Bosnia don’t deserve any respect at all.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 6, 2008 5:51:37 GMT -5
I don't think what Zvone said equated that he's an enemy of Bosnia, anyway even enemies one should respect, just respect people full stop. We are all grown people here.
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Post by zgembo on Dec 6, 2008 9:35:47 GMT -5
If Fikret Abdic stayed on as leader of the SDA, there would've never been a war. What he did in the war was protect the best interests of the people that believed in and that he represented (Velika Kladusa) instead of some ideology by a fundamentalist Muslim in Sarajevo (Izetbegovic). If there is any non-Serb leader I can hold in high esteem, it is him (eventhough he never did anything for the benefit of my people).
He is also proof that this war was never about Serb vs. Muslim. It was about resisting the autocratic and fundamentalist tendencies of the SDA Muslims led by Izetbegovic.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 6, 2008 9:44:54 GMT -5
^^^I kind of agree with you there, good post.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 6, 2008 12:22:59 GMT -5
zgembo
could not have written it better personally.
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Post by fazlinho on Dec 6, 2008 12:34:20 GMT -5
^^^As a mod, shouldn't you be speaking in a nicer manner to the non members? I'm sick of reding f this and f that. Have some respect already. It's funny hearing this coming from you, who call people govnos. Seriously, first look at yourself before pointing at others. Marko, it only shows how you can't stand and hate Bosniaks who won't bend over to Vlachs or Croats. Fikret collaborated with Vlachs, that's all everyone needs to know why you liked him.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 6, 2008 12:46:29 GMT -5
If Fikret Abdic stayed on as leader of the SDA, there would've never been a war. What he did in the war was protect the best interests of the people that believed in and that he represented (Velika Kladusa) instead of some ideology by a fundamentalist Muslim in Sarajevo (Izetbegovic). If there is any non-Serb leader I can hold in high esteem, it is him (eventhough he never did anything for the benefit of my people). He is also proof that this war was never about Serb vs. Muslim. It was about resisting the autocratic and fundamentalist tendencies of the SDA Muslims led by Izetbegovic. Give me a f**kin' break. Best interest of WHAT people? Not mine. There was no fundamentalist Muslim leader, that's a pathetic Serbian propaganda invention. I HATE Riadical Islam, and I HATE religon period, I'd be first to admit if Alija was Bin Laden, but not even close. It's just an easy picture to paint. But we all know he was nowhere near as radical as the other scumbags invovled in this. Scumbags like Karadzic. You people been trying to play this pathetic "radical Islam" card for over a decade. Then some idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about repeats what he heard like a parrot and says "Islamic Declaration! islamic Declaration!" Lawl.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 6, 2008 12:57:59 GMT -5
Ah c'mon faz I never specifically called anyone govno, I may have said that in a general sense but not pointing to anyone particular here at all. I actually like most people here, even the herbs that give me the shits at Croatia...I have nothing terrible to say about anyone regarless if I agree with them or not. Some people are just lost, you can't help that; and calling them names or belittleing them on the net serves no purpose.
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Post by whateva on Dec 6, 2008 14:15:04 GMT -5
If Fikret Abdic stayed on as leader of the SDA, there would've never been a war. What he did in the war was protect the best interests of the people that believed in and that he represented (Velika Kladusa) instead of some ideology by a fundamentalist Muslim in Sarajevo (Izetbegovic). If there is any non-Serb leader I can hold in high esteem, it is him (eventhough he never did anything for the benefit of my people). He is also proof that this war was never about Serb vs. Muslim. It was about resisting the autocratic and fundamentalist tendencies of the SDA Muslims led by Izetbegovic. Give me a f**kin' break. Best interest of WHAT people? Not mine. There was no fundamentalist Muslim leader, that's a pathetic Serbian propaganda invention. I HATE Riadical Islam, and I HATE religon period, I'd be first to admit if Alija was Bin Laden, but not even close. It's just an easy picture to paint. But we all know he was nowhere near as radical as the other scumbags invovled in this. Scumbags like Karadzic. You people been trying to play this pathetic "radical Islam" card for over a decade. Then some idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about repeats what he heard like a parrot and says "Islamic Declaration! islamic Declaration!" Lawl. Don't you get it? Fikret was kissing Serb ass so he can stay in power in Kladusa, so naturaly he was no fundamentalist to Serbs because he wanted to be part of velika Srbija after Bosnia capitulates. If you didn't want that you are automatically a muslim fundamentalist for them. God forbid someone who isn't even religious at all doesn't want to be fucked by Serbs whenever they feel like it! Now that the war has ended Serbs are nowhere to be found arround kladusa, Abdic and his cronies became Croats over night and now they are kissing Croat ass. Some people will be "prodane duse" no matter what and for what? For fuckin chicken paste.
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Post by manijak on Dec 6, 2008 14:24:36 GMT -5
Well two points:
1. When the war actually started, to turn your back on your own people is cowardly, and that is what Abdic is. All Bosniaks don't have to agree on what the best step was in the situation, but once its decided, it is downright cowardly what he did.
2. I don't think any Bosniak can deny that the pro-yugoslavia feeling was pretty high among Bosniaks. And back then we were called muslims. There is good reason to believe that if we had more moderate leaders on our end, maybe a separation would be a lot more peaceful or maybe more people would have sided with staying as is.
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Post by kapetan on Dec 6, 2008 14:29:29 GMT -5
Yes it was high amongst many AT FIRST...untill we saw how easily the MAJORITY of our nieghbors jumped on the chetnik wagon and started shooting up peace marches and such.
remember..most of the big stuff happend in the FIRST YEAR of the war...mass evictions and killing...before we did ANYTHING to them to warrant some huge revenge
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