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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 7, 2008 18:13:27 GMT -5
I dont have a problem with that.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2008 9:49:28 GMT -5
fyi blond and blue eyes are not and never were historicly a Mediterranean trait .. forget what any books wanted to glamorize with .. thats like saying polar bears in Africa in greece, we always had a 5-10% blonds. See Homer, achilleus was blonde, the rest brown. Odysseus very brown!!
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2008 10:29:33 GMT -5
show me Ac i let's Polaroid .....
we have that sandy blond at young age but it goes darker in their 20's -30's
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2008 11:27:12 GMT -5
show me Ac i let's Polaroid ..... we have that sandy blond at young age but it goes darker in their 20's -30's Thats what Homer says, we have to believe him.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 8, 2008 11:34:59 GMT -5
I was born blond, later it became dark blond and at about 15 it started getting darker again...today its rather brown. When I go to Greece though in the summer it gets lighter.
Btw as child I also had freckles. Today they are gone to 99,9%.
My skin type is very light, too...Im rather pale than white. And in the summer I get red instead of brown....I hate the sun, my skin is too sensitive....I doubt thats a Greek gene, thats impossible. ;D
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2008 11:56:13 GMT -5
<Thats what Homer says, we have to believe him. >
thats what translators say ...and do we have to believe them ?
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2008 11:57:13 GMT -5
I was born blond, later it became dark blond and at about 15 it started getting darker again...today its rather brown. When I go to Greece though in the summer it gets lighter. Btw as child I also had freckles. Today they are gone to 99,9%. My skin type is very light, too...Im rather pale than white. And in the summer I get red instead of brown....I hate the sun, my skin is too sensitive....I doubt thats a Greek gene, thats impossible. ;D welcome home Shqipo ;D
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Post by ioan on Sept 8, 2008 12:30:44 GMT -5
I totally agree with Kastorianos. The Balkans by default are very mixed. For example same process happened in Bulgaria: the Greeks that chose to remain in Bulgaria and that lived on the Black Sea coast (especially southern part) were slavized. I have such friends. Also I have a grandgrandmother who was Greek, but I consider myself totally Bulgarian. I am dark haired/dark eyed with dark skin, totally Mediteranian, but I consider myself Bulgarian. Actually the majority of the Bulgarians are mediteranians. This, for me, means the preslavic people made signifficant contribution genetically to the Bulgarian nation. Our nation is deffinately mixture (genetically) of Slavs, Thracians, Bulgars, Goths, Petchenegs, Greeks, Turks, Cumans, Celts and even Franks (and probably many others). I believe that goes for every Balkan nation, maybe not in the same proportion. Of course the slavs in Greek Macedonia were Bulgarians. Its well documented in the sources of the time. But now those people are part of the Greek nation. 150 ago they werent.
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 8, 2008 13:15:01 GMT -5
I was born Greek and will die Greek. This will never change.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 8, 2008 13:30:51 GMT -5
<Thats what Homer says, we have to believe him. > thats what translators say ...and do we have to believe them ? i dont need no translators. i am greek.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2008 14:00:36 GMT -5
you can read it from Homers scripts or from the already greek translations ....?
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 8, 2008 14:05:39 GMT -5
Homer's original works were written in Tosk._(There is also obvious the Liapiki influence)
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Post by rex362 on Sept 8, 2008 14:18:40 GMT -5
might as well be Tosk
bcs Greek alphabet had not been invented yet.....I dont know wtf Niko is reading .... they must only be assumed translations ...and he should know how much is lost or colored in with translations of any sort..
translators will do anything to justify themselves ...job security or agenda at hand .
and besides they were not stories in the sense of them being spoken but songs that were sung ....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 9, 2008 0:02:36 GMT -5
you can read it from Homers scripts or from the already greek translations ....? i dont think homer left scripts. By mouth i guess sometime in classic times, some dudes recreated from verbal version, and then the next copy/pasted. In greek we have the original. patrine, wtf r u talking about? what tosk? what is tosk? r u serious or joking?
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Post by Kastorianos on Sept 9, 2008 3:07:22 GMT -5
kai wewaios ton douleuei..
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