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Post by srbobran on Apr 8, 2009 19:53:28 GMT -5
Saying Rome had no cultural merit is wrong. They certainly did take much of their culture from Greece but they did do tons themselves.
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Post by leshte on Apr 8, 2009 20:00:45 GMT -5
Cmon Kanaris, while ancient greeks contributed a whole lot to humanity what you just said above is pure BS, and you know that. One can see that through the arts, we don't even need to go to other fields.
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 8, 2009 21:17:47 GMT -5
Take away the Greeks from Egypt and Rome... and you got nothing... even the Latin was influenced by the Ancient Greeks.....
Now I may have a Greek name.. and speak Greek and might be a Turk or an Albanian... or even a German... but what I said is factual to the fullest extend.
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Post by captainalbania on Apr 11, 2009 3:01:39 GMT -5
Let me say this once and for all.....modern Greeks had to be taught about the ancients because most modern Greeks were illiterate peasants. Even your upper classes thought they were Romans and you called yourselves "Romoi".
"hellenes" is a modern invention in order to rile you up and inject you with nationalism and hatred for the Turks.
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 11, 2009 6:44:09 GMT -5
Let me say this once and for all.....modern Greeks had to be taught about the ancients because most modern Greeks were illiterate peasants. Even your upper classes thought they were Romans and you called yourselves "Romoi". "hellenes" is a modern invention in order to rile you up and inject you with nationalism and hatred for the Turks. Sure...I've posted again....: One man that I suppose is suitable to give some answers about what the “Byzantine” people thought about themselves, their heritage, their name is a Byzantine Emperor himself, Emperor of Nicaea John III Doukas Vatatzes ( c. 1192, Didymoteicho – November 3, 1254, Nymphaeum). I quote down my translation of a Vatatzes’ letter-response to Pope Gregorius the 9th who has previously asked the first to stop claiming Constantinoupolis back from the Franks: The letter starts: “ Ioannis in the name of Christos the God faithfull king and emperor of the Romans the Dukas to the holy pope of old Rome Gregorius” –“Ioannis en Christo to Theo pistos vasileus kai autokrator Romaion o Dhoukas to agiotato papa tis presviteras Romis Grigorio” a nd he continues:
“I,as king, consider incongruous what you’ve written me and I didn’t want to believe that it was your letter, but a result of the despair of someone who is near you, and has his soul full of badness and audacity. Your holiness is graced with wisdom and differs in proper judgment from many others. That’s why I found it very difficult to believe that it was your letter even if it was sent to me.
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So you write in your letter that in our race(genos) of the Greeks(ton Hellenon) wisdoms reigns…that from our race(genos) wisdom flourished and its benefits were spread and to the other people, that’s true  . But how it happens to ignore, or if you don’t ignore ,how did you suppress it, that along with the royal(vasilevousa) Konstantinoupolis and the kingship in this world was given to our race from Konstantinos the Great, who accepted the call from Christos and ruled with decency and honesty. Is there anyone who doesn’t know that his succession(Konstantinos’) passed to our race(genos) and we are his heirs and inheritors?
You demand from us not to ignore your privileges. And we, too , have the similar request from you to see and recognize our right to rule the state of Constantinoupolis, that started from the age of Constantinos the Great and lasted one thousand years until it reached our reign. The patriarchs(genarches) of my kingship, from the families of Doukas and Komnenos, not to mention the others, come from the Greek race(apo hellenika geni). So these fellow countrymen for many centuries had Constantinoupolis in their authority. And them the Church of Rome and their principals called Emperors of the Romans(Autokratores Romaion). So we declare to your holiness and to all Christians that never shall we stop fighting and struggle against the conquerors of Constantinoupolis. It was like we disrespect the laws of nature, and the institutions of our fatherland, and the graves of our fathers and the holy temples of God, if we didn’t fight with all our power. We have with us the righteous God, who helps those who are wronged and oppose to the wrongful…” It was firstly published in Vakalopoulos’ book,Piges tou Neou Hellenismou,v.A,p.50-53,Thessaloniki 1965. illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=hellasgreece&thread=18918&page=1 |
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Post by captainalbania on Apr 11, 2009 9:32:59 GMT -5
That was the source? A Greek book published in 1965? Of course in the original letter he probably referred to himself as a Roman.
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Post by greekscandal on Apr 11, 2009 9:33:59 GMT -5
Makes you proud to be a Greek "sniff, sniff" Thats what the propaganda is suppose to do . |
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Post by monsterofsouli on Apr 11, 2009 10:03:10 GMT -5
That was the source? A Greek book published in 1965? Of course in the original letter he probably referred to himself as a Roman. WHO are you to even discuss the Greeks? Your nothing but a furball, pimp, criminal Turkalbanian. Why are you so concerned with my blood you piece of garbage AlbaNAZI. |
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 11, 2009 10:19:03 GMT -5
That was the source? A Greek book published in 1965? Of course in the original letter he probably referred to himself as a Roman.  World's academic community felt victim to this propaganda...yes yes...and you are the only one who knows what this original letter wrote... |
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 10:41:10 GMT -5
They are jews that been building pyramids in egypt and everything else great in greece, in rome and everywhere around the earth. Even today jews ruling the world. I'm the Only One Way of True Life and I'm the Door to the Holy Infinite Life. Video, Forever and Ever Myself YAH Lord/God Sun_MYSUS Christ AMEN!!!!!  |
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 11, 2009 18:26:15 GMT -5
When were Albanians officially called Albanians? 1993 or 1914?
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 11, 2009 19:53:57 GMT -5
When were Albanians officially called Albanians? 1993 or 1914? We calling ourselves Shqiptar (Albans) since greeks very long time ago discovered Skoutarious (Shkodranet) with two head eagle symbol in greece. (AEK)  |
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Post by donnie on Apr 11, 2009 22:55:10 GMT -5
When were Albanians officially called Albanians? 1993 or 1914? We were calling ourselves Albanians at a time when you were confused and called yourselves "Romans" ... |
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 12, 2009 0:09:56 GMT -5
When were Albanians officially called Albanians? 1993 or 1914? We were calling ourselves Albanians at a time when you were confused and called yourselves "Romans" ... Thats what the Slavo-Bulgarians of Fyrom say too.... everyone has a story to tell.... cept yours ain't written yet... and I am getting old and I still didn't get no crumbs. |
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Post by leshte on Apr 12, 2009 0:28:20 GMT -5
Kanaris, you stir $hit and act like a good guy. If you wanna clean this forum up, it should start from you. Either you stop provoking or leave the forum altogether if you really want to change this forum. If not cut the crap about wanting to change it.
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 12, 2009 0:46:39 GMT -5
It's so easy to provoke you.Relax... I am only responding to your Albanofriends.They were asking for it... sometimes you got to slap the pig,to get it to go back into the den. ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 12, 2009 0:50:45 GMT -5
When were Albanians officially called Albanians? 1993 or 1914? What does the word "officially" mean to you my dear? |
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 12, 2009 0:57:22 GMT -5
What does the word "officially" mean to you my dear? From the dictionary;
–adjective1. pertaining to Albania, its inhabitants, or their language. –noun 2. a native or inhabitant of Albania or Albany, N.Y. 3. the Indo-European language spoken in Albania and adjacent areas. Origin:1590–1600; Albani(a) + -an . |
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 12, 2009 1:01:14 GMT -5
Karta with that picture is trying to say: bricks...who invented them? if we build houses of bricks we are....? Etymology...according to ME! Dardanele's strait has taken its name from Dardanus tribe who traveled to today's kosovo after Troy's destruction...therefore, Troyans were Illyrians...if I write this, in 1000 years a new history version will be discovered...history is written by the winner.... and Arxileas will say: from dictionary Dardan- Dardhe in Albanian; (pear)..."officially".... |
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Post by Arxileas on Apr 12, 2009 1:06:43 GMT -5
You mean history is written on stones and mother earth etc; Archaeology.
God bless Greece the mother of all western civilisation.
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. But how it happens to ignore, or if you don’t ignore ,how did you suppress it, that along with the royal(vasilevousa) Konstantinoupolis and the kingship in this world was given to our race from Konstantinos the Great, who accepted the call from Christos and ruled with decency and honesty. Is there anyone who doesn’t know that his succession(Konstantinos’) passed to our race(genos) and we are his heirs and inheritors? 
