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Post by Arxileas on Jan 30, 2008 6:27:48 GMT -5
ΝΙΚΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΙΝΙΔΗΣ : "ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΜΗ ΜΑΣ ΞΕΧΝΑΣ"
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Post by slowdent on Jan 30, 2008 16:45:56 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Jan 31, 2008 15:55:53 GMT -5
When will you embrace Hellenism in order to call your self a real civilised Macedonian. ?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 31, 2008 17:22:12 GMT -5
King Philip of the Macedonians was called a Barbarian by the Hellens, why are you just NOW accepting them as hellens?
Oh wait, thats after his son Alexander achieved global fame as the conquerer of the known world.
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Post by slowdent on Jan 31, 2008 18:23:18 GMT -5
another brainfart sponsored by terroreign. thank you
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Post by Kassandros on Feb 1, 2008 11:14:20 GMT -5
"King Philip of the Macedonians was called a Barbarian by the Hellens, why are you just NOW accepting them as hellens?" Oh wait, thats after his son Alexander achieved global fame as the conquerer of the known world. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol lol To remind you ...... its not US who were after his Hellenism; It was HIM who reffered to HIMSELF as of Hellenic stock! lol lol My poor comi... lol lol Tito didnt prepared you with a line for that case? lol lol
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 13:42:27 GMT -5
I don't really care about tito....I'm just playing the devil's advocate here....
Now lets make an example here basil, so you can understand what I'm talking about :
Lets say you go to Albania and call yourself an Albanian and that you fight for Albanianism, but at the same time all of the Albanians tell you to f*ck off because you're not an Albanian.
Are you still an Albanian?
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Post by areianos on Feb 1, 2008 16:35:07 GMT -5
Difference is all of Greece[Including Illyrians & Thracians] joined him in battle against the Persians except Sparta. They could have easily said no, but they did not go against the wishes of a GREEK KING.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 17:05:43 GMT -5
Now you helped my argument
So not all of greece joined him(sparta didnt), and non greeks aided him (Illyrians and Thracians), these non greeks who were for much of the time enemies of the greeks....
Any more comments?
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 1, 2008 18:28:29 GMT -5
Alexander the Great AIlied all the other Greek city-states and he campaigned against Persia and conquered Asia. Here's a better picture of the national monument and the statue of Leonidas at Thermopylae. The words "Molon LavE" are at the base.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 19:17:06 GMT -5
A statue of Leonidas? A spartan who did not ally himself with Alexander?
Is that supposed to be defense for your argument or are you just kidding.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 1, 2008 19:38:53 GMT -5
Greeks fought several wars. Two Greek city states were against the powerful Persian Empire to the east of Greece. Then a civil war broke out among the city-states of Greece. Why did the Persians invade Greece? In 519 B.C. the Persians conquered a group of people who lived in Asia Minor called the Ionian Greeks. In 499 B.C. the Ionian Greeks asked the mainland Greeks to help them rebel against the Persians. Help! Athens sent warships to help them, but they were not strong enough to defeat the Persian army. We’re on the way The made the Persian King, Darius, very angry with Greece. AGH! Those Greeks will pay for this : In 490 B.C. Darius sent 600 ships and thousands of soldiers to invade Greece. He wanted to punish the Athenians for helping the rebels. The Persian army landed at Marathon, north of Athens, in 490 B.C. The Persians greatly outnumbered the Greeks. Marathon The Persians were amazed at the strong will of the small Athenian force. They had no horses or archers, only fierce foot soldiers. Persian Empire Athens Sparta After a few days, the Persians decided to attack Athens by sea. While they were loading their ships, the Athenians attacked and defeated them. The Persians Retreated. Marathon : Marathon The Greeks sent their fastest runner Pheidippides to carry home news of the victory. He sprinted 26.2 miles from the battle site to the city-state of Athens. He arrived and said, “Rejoice, we conquer,” and died from exhaustion The Marathon race is named after this event. What Happened at Thermopylae? : What Happened at Thermopylae? The Greek ruler Themistocles knew this was a temporary victory. He encouraged the Athenians to build up their fleet and prepare for battle with the Persians. In 480 B.C. Darius’ son Xerxes sent a larger force to conquer Greece. He sent 200,000 soldiers and nearly 1,000 ships. By this time Athens had convinced Sparta to join them in battle. Twenty Greek city-states joined together to meet the Persian invaders. Sparta took charge of the army. Persia Invades Greece : Persia Invades Greece The Persian army had little trouble as it moved through northern Greece. It came to a narrow mountain pass called Thermopylae, there 7,000 Greeks waited for the Persians. For several days they stopped the Persian army from moving forward Someone led the Persians behind the Greek army, the Spartan soldier began to retreat to their ships as the Persians marched forward. A Small Spartan force of about 300 men commanded by King Leonidas, guarded the mountain pass of Thermopylae. They held out heroically against he enormous Persian force for three days. They were betrayed when someone told the Persians how to get in behind the army. They were defeated, but won valuable time for the rest of the Greeks. Who won at Salamis? : Who won at Salamis? Salamis The Persians marched south after their victory at Thermopylae and destroyed the city of Athens. Athens Thermopylae The Athenians had already moved to Salamis, a small nearby island. The large Persian ships could not maneuver in the water. The smaller Greek ships destroyed them. More than 800 Persian ships attacked the Athenian navy near the island. Results of the Persian Wars : Results of the Persian Wars The Greek sense of uniqueness was increased. Athens emerged as the most powerful city-state in Greece. Athens organized the Delian League, an alliance with other Greek city-states. Athens used the league to assert power and build an Athenian Empire. They moved the treasury to Athens, and forced people to stay in the league against their will. Athens in the Age of Pericles : Athens in the Age of Pericles The wise and skillful leadership of Pericles brought about a Golden age in Athens. This was from about 460 to 429 B.C. and is often called the Age of Pericles. Pericles believed that all male citizens, regardless of wealth or social class, should take part in government. He paid salaries to men who held public office. This enabled the poor to serve in the government. The assembly met several times a month and needed at least 6,000 members present to take a vote. This was direct democracy, a large number of citizens took part in the day to day affairs of the government. Pericles stated, “We alone, regard a man who takes no interest in public affairs, not as harmless, but as a useless character. Pericles rebuilt the Acropolis and turned Athens into the cultural center of Greece. Greek against Greek : Greek against Greek Many Greeks resented the Athenian domination. The Greek world split into rival camps. To counter the Delian League, Sparta and other enemies of Athens formed the Peloponnesian League. Sparta encouraged an Oligarchy (government run by business) in the states of the Peloponnesian League, and Athens supported democracy. A 27 year war broke out in 431 B.C. engulfing all of Greece Peloponnesian War : Peloponnesian War Athens faced a serious geographic disadvantage from the start. Sparta was located inland, the Athenian navy was no good against them. When Sparta invaded Athens, Pericles allowed people from the countryside to move inside the city. Overcrowding led to a plague that killed a third of the people. Internal struggles undermined the Democratic government of Athens. Sparta even allied with Persia, their old enemy, against the Delian League. Finally, in 404 B.C., with the help of the Persian navy, the Spartans captured Athens and stripped it of its fleet and empire. The Aftermath of War : The Aftermath of War The Peloponnesian war ended Athenian greatness. In Athens Democratic government suffered: Corruption and selfish interests replaced order. Fighting continued to disrupt the Greek world. Sparta itself suffered defeat at the hands of Thebes, another Greek city-state. Greece was left vulnerable to invasion. Cultural development was arrested. Alexander the Great AIlied all the other Greek city-states and he campaigned against Persia and conquered Asia.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 19:49:53 GMT -5
That didn't help...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 1, 2008 19:54:33 GMT -5
You cannot re-write Greek history the way you wish it was
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Post by rex362 on Feb 1, 2008 20:11:13 GMT -5
You cannot re-write Greek history the way you wish it was po po po how many times its been rewritten and will be rewritten ... now be honest ..you think your great grandfather knew the same history that you know today .... ;D
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 1, 2008 20:38:13 GMT -5
Herodotus history has been rewritten...? Or even Homers Illiad? That is news to me.
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Post by albanesehoney on Feb 1, 2008 21:10:00 GMT -5
What did herodotus mean by the word "history"? What does history mean in greek.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 1, 2008 21:33:56 GMT -5
It means learn by inquiring..
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Post by albanesehoney on Feb 1, 2008 21:41:57 GMT -5
what did herodotus mean by it...fool
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 2, 2008 0:23:55 GMT -5
Just in case someone is wondering
TR speaks Slavic with bulgarian (from slavophone Macedonia) tendency and only with such tendency (his Montenegrin speech is at best a very bad replica with strong bulgarian language tendencies as found in slavophone Macedonia). In Bulgarian Forum he speaks fluent "Macedonian" which he could never do with "Montenegrin" he has attempted to speak.
Explains why he is so touchy in "Macedonian forum" against Greeks and also against Bulgarians in Bulgarian forum on "Macedonian" topic and generally in any "Macedonian" topic.
His Montenegrin identity is just a cover and a bad one as at.
So there is no doubt TR is either what Greeks refer to as Fyromanian or Albanian from Fyrom.
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