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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 1:23:18 GMT -5
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Post by greekslav on Dec 27, 2007 13:43:44 GMT -5
So, what are you saying?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 27, 2007 13:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 14:41:59 GMT -5
"So, what are you saying?"
Must I have some sort of political motive? I am saying exactly what you see written on the thread.
1.) [3] After the Human Immunology controversy, a number of geneticists led by Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza also criticized the claims in this paper, stating that, "using results from the analysis of a single marker, particularly one likely to have undergone selection, for the purpose of reconstructing genealogies is unreliable and unacceptable practice in population genetics".
2.)In 2002, Arnaiz-Villena was suspended without pay from the Hospital Doce de Octubre, after being charged with embezzlement of funds. He was accused of "purchase of products not used in his department's health care activities; purchase of hospital products used in health care activities but in quantities much greater than needed; falsification of statistical data apparently to justify purchases; humiliating treatment of department staff; delay in health care activities; and transfer of department products to the university.
3.)This became controversial because of its assertions about the origins of the Palestine/Israeli conflict. Following strong criticism, it was withdrawn from the journal and deleted from the scientific archive.[1] The comments about Arab-Israeli conflicts were described as "extreme political writing", which included claims that Palestinians were placed in "concentration camps". Arnaiz-Villena was removed from the journal's editorial board.
4.)The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.
5.)Genetically based claims to sovereignty are the newest tactics employed in old struggles over national sovereignty and borders (Basically desperate attempts by a nation full of fools). The desire to claim historical primacy is so strong that national groups of recent origin and nations that arrived comparatively recently to the territory where they now demand sovereignty are inclined to invent histories alleging ancient roots. An example is the case of Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic.
National groups such as FYROM who lack any archeological or any other evidence for that matter over their historical claims turn to genetics now. I wish you had the ability and foresight to see the desperation of your claims.
6.)If there is a cardinal rule of science, it is to be exceedingly leery of drawing conclusions on the basis of a single study. After all, extraordinary claims such as this demand the strongest levels of proof.
What am I trying to say? Well, I guess I have a right to say something when people attack my ethnic heritage. One thing that I find quite disturbing is the natural tendency for people to quote sources that support their claims but lack scientific merit.
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 14:46:04 GMT -5
What other scientists? I am not saying there aren't anymore but I would be curious to see some. No disrespect to you but I feel that any source you provide is going to be nonsense. I feel like people act like different ethnicities and races are a totally different animal but that is not the case. I HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE WITH AN AFRICAN AND SO DO YOU.
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Post by greekslav on Dec 27, 2007 15:06:36 GMT -5
Then there is no point, my friend.
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Post by greekslav on Dec 27, 2007 15:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 16:40:46 GMT -5
"But I believe any references and any legitimate evidence to this would be nonsense to you." Yes you are right. Nonsense!!! This is the same type of shint Hitler did with his genetic studies. YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD STUDY? ? One that compares the genetics and D.N.A of Bulgarians and Fyromanians. That might be a waste of time though because we know what the results would be. Then from there we could look at the origins of the Bulgarians. The Bulgars (also Bolgars or proto-Bulgarians) were a seminomadic people, originally from Central Asia, who from the AD 2nd century inhabited the steppe north of the Caucasus and the banks of river Itil (now Volga). There are different theories about their origin, the most widely accepted theory being that they were a Turkic people.
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 16:45:23 GMT -5
What I would like to know is how would the Greeks having a sub saharan admixture make them any less Greek or any less indigenous to GREECE AND MACEDONIA? You come across as trying to sound real nice, but I think you are a racist and a Nazi. Your motives and intentions are driven by racism.
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 16:48:17 GMT -5
Do you think central Europe or Macedonia has indigenous people since the dawn of time? I DON'T THINK SO! You came from somewhere and Greeks came from somewhere at one point. It just angers me and I think it says something about the intelligence of people who use these types of studies for racial motives. To be honest with you I would rather be a Rwandan than a Fyrom Bulgarian.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 27, 2007 16:54:50 GMT -5
"One that compares the genetics and D.N.A of Bulgarians and Fyromanians." I wouldn't be surprised if that same test backfired on you as well ......... just wondering..... if there was a specific test of dna that recorded you as a slav ..would you change your screen name to Slvsdied4you be honest now....
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 17:08:22 GMT -5
No I would change it to "IkilledAlbs4Rex."
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 17:10:28 GMT -5
See Rex. That very well could backfire on me and you as well for that matter. What I am trying to say is that these studies are utter nonsense. NONSENSE fueled by racist motives. I know an old saying. "Give a negro a rope and he thinks hes a cowboy." It fits this genetic study well. Don't you think?
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Post by slvsdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 17:16:16 GMT -5
I love everyone
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Post by rex362 on Dec 27, 2007 17:18:06 GMT -5
UH ?? HAHAHHAHHHAAHHAHHHHAH
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 28, 2007 1:41:18 GMT -5
does this mean that... modern greeks have these sub saharan genes since the pharaonic period... and so the greek DNA has not changed for thousands of years... and therefore we do have the genes of ancient greeks after all???
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 28, 2007 1:44:14 GMT -5
greekslav...from now on i give u a greek name...it will be ephialtes...very proper name for you,isnt that so?
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 28, 2007 1:47:17 GMT -5
Arnaiz was ridiculed by real scientists more than once...dont mention him again...the study of dr sforza cappeli-or smthing like this-was published in nature magazine and arnaiz's butt was kicked hard...
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Post by greekslav on Dec 28, 2007 2:38:17 GMT -5
What I would like to know is how would the Greeks having a sub saharan admixture make them any less Greek or any less indigenous to GREECE AND MACEDONIA? It would not change anything so why do you ask?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 28, 2007 2:46:09 GMT -5
Arnaiz was ridiculed by real scientists more than once...dont mention him again...the study of dr sforza cappeli-or smthing like this-was published in nature magazine and arnaiz but was kicked hard... Where is his name mentioned as a scientist that contributed to this study below (Scientists names in bold): "HLA genes in Southern Tunisians (Ghannouch area) and their relationship with other Mediterraneans. Hajjej A, Hmida S, Kaabi H, Dridi A, Jridi A, El Gaa l ed A, Boukef K. National Blood Transfusion Centre, Tunis, Tunisia.South Tunisian HLA gene profile has studied for the first time. HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 and -DQB1 allele frequencies of Ghannouch have been compared with those of neighboring populations, other Mediterraneans and Sub-Saharans. Their relatedness has been tested by genetic distances, Neighbor-Joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. Our HLA data show that both southern from Ghannouch and northern Tunisians are of a Berber substratum in spite of the successive incursions (particularly, the 7th-8th century A.D. Arab invasion) occurred in Tunisia. It is also the case of other North Africans and Iberians. This present study confirms the relatedness of Greeks to Sub-Saharan populations. This suggests that there was an admixture between the Greeks and Sub-Saharans probably during Pharaonic period or after natural catastrophes (dryness) occurred in Sahara. PMID: 16473309 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]" www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16473309&query_hl=25&itoo
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