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Post by proleteriat on Nov 15, 2008 14:00:58 GMT -5
don't reply cause I won't be back for a while!!! G-bye!! HEY !! your not going anywhere ...you need a hallway pass from me ok i returned just to get the hallway pass lol. not really but i knew Lozonjare would reply with some utter rubbish so i had to come back reply one last time ;D
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 15, 2008 14:04:48 GMT -5
Your comparing apples with oranges. The majority of Albanians in ex-Yugoslavia were Muslim and the majority of Albanians in Greece where Orthodox, if Albanians in Ex-Yugo where Predominately Orthodox and had an Albanian identity today, then you would have a point, but they're not so you can't compare the two. And as for the Southern Albs I know, they're anti-Greek. I really doubt you've been to Albania anytime recently, go visit it and then come back and tell us if your Greek conspiracy holds any weight. I don't think you can read very clearly. I already mentioned Islam played a role in saving Albanian's identity and the fact that Kosovars etc are Muslim would factor into that I go back to Albania very frequently actually I was there when a bunch of guys in Korca were driving around in their cars, waving Greek flags just after Greece had won the Euro Championship. It is not "my" Greek conspiracy it's just the truth, I don't expet you to believe me because you're from Shkodra so of course you think different. And like I already stated, even those southern Albanians who are anti-Greek, still feel closer to them then they do to Kosovars, or...you would you like me to provide proof? do you see any southern Albanian arguing with me on this and saying I'm wrong?
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Post by lozonjare on Nov 15, 2008 19:20:47 GMT -5
don't reply cause I won't be back for a while!!! G-bye!! HEY !! your not going anywhere ...you need a hallway pass from me ok i returned just to get the hallway pass lol. not really but i knew Lozonjare would reply with some utter rubbish so i had to come back reply one last time ;D LOL, thats funny...
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Post by lozonjare on Nov 15, 2008 19:38:11 GMT -5
Your comparing apples with oranges. The majority of Albanians in ex-Yugoslavia were Muslim and the majority of Albanians in Greece where Orthodox, if Albanians in Ex-Yugo where Predominately Orthodox and had an Albanian identity today, then you would have a point, but they're not so you can't compare the two. And as for the Southern Albs I know, they're anti-Greek. I really doubt you've been to Albania anytime recently, go visit it and then come back and tell us if your Greek conspiracy holds any weight. I don't think you can read very clearly. I already mentioned Islam played a role in saving Albanian's identity and the fact that Kosovars etc are Muslim would factor into that I go back to Albania very frequently actually I was there when a bunch of guys in Korca were driving around in their cars, waving Greek flags just after Greece had won the Euro Championship. It is not "my" Greek conspiracy it's just the truth, I don't expet you to believe me because you're from Shkodra so of course you think different. And like I already stated, even those southern Albanians who are anti-Greek, still feel closer to them then they do to Kosovars, or...you would you like me to provide proof? do you see any southern Albanian arguing with me on this and saying I'm wrong? Umm yes I did see a Southern Albanian that was arguing with you on this, TOSKaliku. OK, you were saying that the majority of Albs in Greece were assimilated whereas the ones in Yugoslavia weren't and it seems you haven't taken into account the religious aspect of the assimilation. You act as if Greece can assimilate Albanians no matter what, I disagree. And I'm not surprised that happened in Korce, I really wouldn't consider Korcars to be that patriotic. The only places in Southern Albania that I would say have any significant amount Greek-loving are Korce, Sarande, and Gjirokaster. What do you have to say about Greek flag burnings that happened recently in Sarande I really don't think Southern Albanians feel closer to Greeks than they do to me or Kosovars. I've never heard anyone make such a ridiculous claim before. Thats like me saying Northern Albanians feel closer to Serbs than I do to Southern Albanians.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 15, 2008 19:44:05 GMT -5
I really don't think Southern Albanians feel closer to Greeks than they do to me or Kosovars. I've never heard anyone make such a ridiculous claim before. Thats like me saying Northern Albanians feel closer to Serbs than I do to Southern Albanians. With this statement "think" is all but your opinion alone. Opinions don't count in a real debate, facts do. .
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Post by lozonjare on Nov 15, 2008 19:48:41 GMT -5
I really don't think Southern Albanians feel closer to Greeks than they do to me or Kosovars. I've never heard anyone make such a ridiculous claim before. Thats like me saying Northern Albanians feel closer to Serbs than I do to Southern Albanians. With this statement "think" is all but your opinion alone. Opinions don't count in a real debate, facts do. . Well the facts are we speak the same language, same mentality, are of the same ethnicity, physically look the same, same traditions, etc etc I can go on and on
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Post by lozonjare on Nov 15, 2008 19:52:21 GMT -5
Was Pirro Bollano even actually related to Vasil Bollano?
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 15, 2008 20:00:11 GMT -5
Well the facts are we speak the same language, same mentality, are of the same ethnicity, physically look the same, same traditions, etc etc I can go on and onAnd if that were the case then Albania's goverment would have no fear of doing a census on it's minorities. Correct ?
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Post by lozonjare on Nov 15, 2008 20:08:25 GMT -5
Well the facts are we speak the same language, same mentality, are of the same ethnicity, physically look the same, same traditions, etc etc I can go on and onAnd if that were the case then Albania's goverment would have no fear of doing a census on it's minorities. Correct ? ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! A Greek, OF ALL PEOPLE, is complaining about Albania's government being afraid of doing a census on ethnic minorities! May I ask, when was the last time Greece did a census on their ethnic minorties ? Oh silly me, I forgot Greece is the only country in the Balkans that has no ethnic minorities whatsoever.
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 15, 2008 20:14:19 GMT -5
I don't think you can read very clearly. I already mentioned Islam played a role in saving Albanian's identity and the fact that Kosovars etc are Muslim would factor into that I go back to Albania very frequently actually I was there when a bunch of guys in Korca were driving around in their cars, waving Greek flags just after Greece had won the Euro Championship. It is not "my" Greek conspiracy it's just the truth, I don't expet you to believe me because you're from Shkodra so of course you think different. And like I already stated, even those southern Albanians who are anti-Greek, still feel closer to them then they do to Kosovars, or...you would you like me to provide proof? do you see any southern Albanian arguing with me on this and saying I'm wrong? Umm yes I did see a Southern Albanian that was arguing with you on this, TOSKaliku. OK, you were saying that the majority of Albs in Greece were assimilated whereas the ones in Yugoslavia weren't and it seems you haven't taken into account the religious aspect of the assimilation. You act as if Greece can assimilate Albanians no matter what, I disagree. And I'm not surprised that happened in Korce, I really wouldn't consider Korcars to be that patriotic. The only places in Southern Albania that I would say have any significant amount Greek-loving are Korce, Sarande, and Gjirokaster. What do you have to say about Greek flag burnings that happened recently in Sarande I really don't think Southern Albanians feel closer to Greeks than they do to me or Kosovars. I've never heard anyone make such a ridiculous claim before. Thats like me saying Northern Albanians feel closer to Serbs than I do to Southern Albanians. Korce, Sarande and Gjirokaster that's what I meant too and that's basically southern Albania LOL ;D And you're wrong about Korca, many people there are anti-Greek, but they also don't deny Greek influence there, and because of this they (we ;D) ndiemi njecik me superior se qytetet e tjera hehe. But the fact that we identify as Albanian not "minoritar" si ca te tjere, proves our patriotism I think. And Toskaliku is from Tirana, i'm just speaking from my own experiences. Those students in Saranda protested but why did they have to go there by bus from other Albanian cities?? All I'm saying before Albanians blame Greece for everything we should look at ourselves, half of us don't even like each other lol, let's try to resolve that then criticize other countries, if you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 15, 2008 20:14:30 GMT -5
ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! A Greek, OF ALL PEOPLE, is complaining about Albania's government being afraid of doing a census on ethnic minorities! I'm not complaining am stating facts based on numerous human rights observers claims... Off course you can ask. We only have some Muslim minorities in Thrace and that's it, rest are illegals or economy migrants.
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Post by proleteriat on Nov 15, 2008 20:21:18 GMT -5
ARE YOU SERIOUS??!!! A Greek, OF ALL PEOPLE, is complaining about Albania's government being afraid of doing a census on ethnic minorities! I'm not complaining am stating facts based on numerous human rights observers claims... Off course you can ask. We only have some Muslim minorities in Thrace and that's it, rest are illegals or economy migrants. I don't agree with you either, but you already knew that lol
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 15, 2008 20:30:49 GMT -5
lozonjare Albania's goverment would have no fear of doing a census on it's minorities. They would have nothing to fear whatsover and you have a bright future. Good luck.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 15, 2008 20:49:21 GMT -5
Albania's govt has nothing to fear except that it wants to wait until a more favorable opportunity when Greece isnt handing out money to anyone with a claim yet trying to make sure they dont go en masse in Greece. What happened to that supposed 200,000 'Greek' who were going to receive dual-citizenship? Oh yea, it seems to have stopped at about 10,000... why? Well, we know what those 'Greeks' would do the second they got that passport... Its sad that Greece is using a bunch of impoverished villagers for its own purposes but I consider it a brilliant move. The same is happening now in Moldova just with Romania now getting the bigger card...
The Greek govt however doesnt seem to be doing much to keep those Greeks in Albania however. Ive seen many of their old villages near Gjirokaster. I would call them ghost towns but I think even the ghosts have ran off across the border... crumbling walls, roofs... The churches are new, but ugly flashy styles. Nothing compared to the older ones.
And btw Arxhi, what are the real facts?
As I said, the older generation is very detached from national issues. I know many in my family who are openly serbophil and show an open distaste for Kosovares, yet detest Greeks as well. Hell sometimes I wonder if they like any Albanians besides the ones they immediately know. But its the next generation that counts, the new youth that are living in a country more united then ever before. So now they have pro-Kosova and Cameria rallies in Fier where hundreds are present.
Yea, but I have my heart and land ( ;D) in Vlora. Tirana is a terrible city... all the nasties have destroyed those who made it a descent place. I cant bear staying there for more then 3-4 days to visit family and family friends then I vanish to Vlora where I bask in its glory and beauty... And occasionally Sarande for 3 days, the clubs are nice just.
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Mimi
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Kosovo IS Albania!
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Post by Mimi on Nov 15, 2008 21:32:11 GMT -5
we kosovars were taught to be proud albanians, we were well awere of our ethnicity and we were not about to give up on our blood. to us nothing was/is greater than being an albanian ;D we have the confidence and hopes that we will have better days and prove ourselves.(majority of us anyway)
i talked to a kurd recently and he was like why do you kosovars have the i am an alb and i am the best attitude lol that made me laugh. he was abvisouly teasing me.
there hardley any alb from albania in sweden.
we have lived apart for to long so we had no contact with each other, we only heard what other people told us and a lot of it was far from the truth, they just wanted to keep us apart and not wanting to have anything to do with each other. they wanted to devide us.
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Post by Arxileas on Nov 15, 2008 21:47:23 GMT -5
You know. Out side this forum the whole world is still Hellenistic influenced in nature . Albanianism only exists in this make believe little world we have here in the Illyrian forums and maybe the Albana.coma forum.
Don't believe me ? Take a break from this place and you'll be surprised. Before I came on any of AAdmins forums Albanians were none existent to me totally.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 15, 2008 21:50:52 GMT -5
Albanianism is not meant for anyone besides Albanians.... and as for hellenistic influence, we have to define it... do you mean the philosophers of 2000 years ago or the Turkish music, 'opa', plate smashing, souvlaki people of today?
Because I doubt many people are influenced by that...
And I dont think anyone gives a rats ass whether or not a Greek from Australia knows us... I didnt know a thing about Greeks before I came to this forum either. Actually, I liked your people more prior to learning about you...
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 15, 2008 22:39:23 GMT -5
Before you came here you were like 16 years old.
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Post by meltdown711 on Nov 15, 2008 22:49:02 GMT -5
I think I was 18. but man... yea, its been a while...
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Post by mendor on Nov 16, 2008 7:44:43 GMT -5
Who is behind "proletariat",i kinda like what he says
I have missed a lot in here and maby i am the only one who doesen't know it ;D
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