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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 7, 2009 15:18:56 GMT -5
Rex y would u tell people ur American ur not American ur Albanian and they can probably tell anyway....and kassowonderful y do u say ur half Bosnian??? y arent u proud to be Albanian but u have to add the "Bosnian" y because ur Muslim?? think of Souliotes and Arvanites this way, that might make it more clear y they call themselves Greek
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2009 15:19:20 GMT -5
I went from one island to another... Montreal is also an island... dang... I need to lay my foot down somewhere with meaning and matter.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 7, 2009 15:51:09 GMT -5
Rex y would u tell people ur American ur not American ur Albanian
when I was a kid and me and my cousins would speak Albanian in public some people asked out of curiosity what nationality we were....we would just simply say Yugoslavian ....and be done with the 10,000 questions from em
..................... 1970 in America
what are you
"Im Albanian "
where is that ...?
"from Yugolsvia"
is that near Armenia ?
"yea yea ...ok bye "
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 7, 2009 15:59:56 GMT -5
LoL yea i think the Armenian-Albanian thing happens to everyone....i'd just say i'm German to avoid confusion or stupid questions from Americans ;D
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Post by rex362 on Feb 7, 2009 16:16:26 GMT -5
sometimes Assyrian .......
oh oh here comes Highduke with Chechen stuff....ahhahahhahahah
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 7, 2009 16:16:47 GMT -5
Well...Canaris meant the right thing. In the end it doesnt matter if the Souliotes were ethnic Albanians or not.
Even if they were it does just mean that the albanian blood rate within Greece is some 0,00000x % higher than if they were not Albanians by blood. The Souliotes didnt free Greece in any way...neither directly nor indirectly. They have rather a symbolic character...they are a paradigm for Greek kids.
So in the end they are (at best) some albanian blood bearer, whose descendants are today completely assimilated...irreversible.
So instead of the Souliotes we could as well talk about people with albanian consciousness but Greek origins. And thats not a few people, we have even here some of them.
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 7, 2009 16:31:08 GMT -5
PS: Patrinos made a comment on the Eva birthday topic: Ill reply here, since its more appropriate: Freedom is a concept that is defined by how a given people conceptualize it. For many Muslims, the Osmanliler was freedom, for example. We dont define it quite the way you do. We killed anyone who dared to threaten our autonomy and self-rule, but were content with the benefits of it within a specific system.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2009 16:31:24 GMT -5
Fug that... who gives a chit about Soulioutes...
What I care about is my grandmothers maiden name which was Triantafillidis..
What gives with that?
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Post by rex362 on Feb 7, 2009 16:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 7, 2009 16:36:29 GMT -5
You mean you were animals?
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 7, 2009 16:38:58 GMT -5
Were the Maniots animals? They killed anyone who dared to threaten their own idea of freedom. Isnt this idea of murder for freedom one of the biggest points of pride among modern Greeks on the issue of the revolution?
Look at the pics Patrinos posted, or the pics shown in the documentary on the Souliotes: images of murder, killing, slaughter.
Mind you Patrinos, Albanians were in a position, if we really really wanted to, to attain independence from the Ottoman Empire as early as the 1700s. Under Bushati and Tepelena, if Albanians had united, they could have freed half of Rumelia with the forces under their power. Ali Pasha nearly created an independent state which composed most of what is today Greece and Albania, Karamahmud Bushati pretty much had all the freedom he wanted.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2009 17:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 7, 2009 18:47:39 GMT -5
PS: Patrinos made a comment on the Eva birthday topic: Ill reply here, since its more appropriate: Freedom is a concept that is defined by how a given people conceptualize it. For many Muslims, the Osmanliler was freedom, for example. We dont define it quite the way you do. We killed anyone who dared to threaten our autonomy and self-rule, but were content with the benefits of it within a specific system. The little smile in the end means that you dumbfounded me...? One question...If my granddady in '41 wore a nazi uniform...and became the nazis' buddy in the village...and did anything he wanted...would he be a freedom-lover for albanian standards? Mind you Patrinos, Albanians were in a position, if we really really wanted to, to attain independence from the Ottoman Empire as early as the 1700s. Under Bushati and Tepelena, if Albanians had united, they could have freed half of Rumelia with the forces under their power. Ali Pasha nearly created an independent state which composed most of what is today Greece and Albania, Karamahmud Bushati pretty much had all the freedom he wanted. if we really really wanted toThese 6 words you've written are enough...
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 7, 2009 18:58:55 GMT -5
Thats different. In a sense yes, he would be free, but then again, no not in our standard. For our standard, (and Im talking after large-scale conversion to Islam, which itself is a very full topic on why it happened), you would have to WANT the Nazi there. Albanians wanted the Ottoman system for the most part, just turned to our advantage. If your old man took the suit, he would be bending himself for the system and following Nazi rules. Albanians followed their own rules. Mind you in almost all of Albania Ottoman law was not followed and instead the Kanun and their various forms had more significance (ironically, those areas which the Ottomans had more control of are areas which today are less problem ridden with crime).
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Feb 7, 2009 19:18:21 GMT -5
Because camet men wearing on their head ksul (skufe) we other albanians call them suliot Video,
Ksulian=Suliot=Sulian (Camet)
Camet girls are so beautiful and perfect on cooking. Camet men are very hard working farmers. They are so professional and so good in money or gold businesses:D.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 7, 2009 19:24:33 GMT -5
Judging from the results Ottomans had a nice reason to give some freedom...as you mean it...Albos became the first who were used by Turks in order to face up any balkanian liberation movement(like Kurds in the East) and of course you were the last who achieved independence from Top Kapi...and as I've written again, I bet that if Albania was territorialy neighbor with Turkey you would only have today some pages named like arnavudlar.tu...and would be proud for your contribution to Osman Devlet...
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2009 20:18:35 GMT -5
Actually... if Albania was bordering Turkey... they would all be one big happy family... just like they were when they showed up around 1000 years ago.
We should give them eastern Thrace... and they give us what they have now.... 2 birds one stone. ;D
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Feb 7, 2009 21:47:39 GMT -5
If Myself Telephus Lord/King Of Mysia (Mycenae=Etruria) shake a little bit my shoulders greeks and greece is going to smash down and be wipe from the earth. I'm under and above ground Giant Rock that people have build their countries and their homes. Myself, Universal Father Lord Of Albania SuN_MYSUS Christ !!!!! My Web Page www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/MysiansMysia Pronounced Jesus The Messiah.
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 7, 2009 22:01:39 GMT -5
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Feb 7, 2009 22:12:59 GMT -5
Actually... if Albania was bordering Turkey... they would all be one big happy family... just like they were when they showed up around 1000 years ago. We should give them eastern Thrace... and they give us what they have now.... 2 birds one stone. ;D Soon Kosovars (Dardanians) are coming from both sides Turkey and Albania in Athens and Greece to bury greeks alive. No doubt about .
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