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Post by nemapravdebreee on Jan 24, 2008 21:06:25 GMT -5
I think everyone should see these videos. EDIT: I realize that this is a Yugo topic but it deals in very large part with Serbs so I'd ask that it isn't moved from this forum. There are 18 videos, and you can access them by clicking on the right hand side. Oh the sadness...
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Post by Fender on Jan 24, 2008 21:40:45 GMT -5
Yes the war was certainly avoidable. What wasn't avoidable was Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Milosevic with a special mention to Germany and the US.
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Post by radovic on Jan 24, 2008 23:11:34 GMT -5
Yes the war was certainly avoidable. What wasn't avoidable was Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Milosevic with a special mention to Germany and the US. ^ I think a big thing that could have prevented the war would have been if Tudjman & HDZ weren't so dependant on money & campaigning from Croat emigrant communities in Canada & Australia (especially since both countries were rather well known for having large numbers of emigrants who were people affiliated with the NDH).
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Post by Fender on Jan 24, 2008 23:17:49 GMT -5
Yes the war was certainly avoidable. What wasn't avoidable was Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Milosevic with a special mention to Germany and the US. ^ I think a big thing that could have prevented the war would have been if Tudjman & HDZ weren't so dependant on money & campaigning from Croat emigrant communities in Canada & Australia (especially since both countries were rather well known for having large numbers of emigrants who were people affiliated with the NDH). Its the NDH problems more than anything else.
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Post by nemapravdebreee on Jan 25, 2008 0:13:56 GMT -5
Yes the war was certainly avoidable. What wasn't avoidable was Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Milosevic with a special mention to Germany and the US. As much as I enjoy reading your posts, I have to disagree. I don't think you can conclude that they were inevitably in that position.
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Post by MiG on Jan 25, 2008 1:40:37 GMT -5
After much reading and looking into the situation, the war was totally unavoidable. The road to war was paved in World War Two.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 25, 2008 2:53:56 GMT -5
Sorry to intervene, i am the most irrelevant in the serb forum, but your sentence reads like: "After much reading, studying, i am sorry to say that 1+1=3" How can someone *prove*(in the math sense) that a war was not avoidable? No matter how someone reads, studies, etc... we all will have a tiny fraction of the knowledge needed to lead to correct conclusions. I mean, have you ever been in real life in an incident, and then read about it in the papers? 100% of the times, what is written has very little accuracy, in regard with the actual facts. Multiply the above x many times when bias in heavily introduced e.g. when its about politics/military operations. We (me less than all) have no clue about had happened in reality, about secret deals that were or were not kept.
I personally think, is that *you* the yugos, the germans and later USA managed to destroy one of the best (if not the best) countries ever in the world. I think the road to market economy could be a smooth one like the one China has taken.
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Post by Fender on Jan 25, 2008 2:55:57 GMT -5
Yes the war was certainly avoidable. What wasn't avoidable was Tudjman, Izetbegovic, Kucan and Milosevic with a special mention to Germany and the US. As much as I enjoy reading your posts, I have to disagree. I don't think you can conclude that they were inevitably in that position. Of course they were in the position to avoid a war. Milan Kucan could have chosen the path of using the Jugoslav constitution to go it alone. They chose not to, so this started a chain reaction in violence.
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Post by radovic on Jan 25, 2008 10:27:27 GMT -5
Another way the war could have been prevented was if American election observers were not present. i mean in Serbia & Croatia these election observers id anything but "observe", all they did was claim that in any area where Tudjman & milosevic didn't do good that the vote was rigged, fraudulent or suspect.
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Post by Anthologic on Jan 26, 2008 1:47:06 GMT -5
Tito's fault... as much as I'd like to believe he was a great person, he had a very major fuck up and knowingly let it slide.
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