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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 29, 2008 1:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 29, 2008 5:46:31 GMT -5
One of hundreds of maps....and you pick out the one that suits you best. Very convincing.
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 29, 2008 5:47:52 GMT -5
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Post by Duke John on Apr 29, 2008 6:40:32 GMT -5
very interesting map, Kastorianos and Kanaris do you agree with the map or not?
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Post by Kanaris on Apr 29, 2008 7:45:13 GMT -5
I cannot agree until it's authenticity is proven.
Although I did find something amusing..they grouped Romanians,Bulgars and Albanians under the heading Tsiganes.... What do you say about that?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Apr 29, 2008 16:46:30 GMT -5
This Map is totally wrong
just look West Macedonia and Gjakova while were all 100% albanian.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 29, 2008 21:45:22 GMT -5
The map is from 1860s new York university
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Post by terroreign on Apr 29, 2008 22:26:45 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Toskaliku on Apr 29, 2008 22:29:03 GMT -5
The map is innaccurate for the simple fact that areas in most southern part Epirus were not Albanian majority. Albanians had a majority in the northern part and a clear majority in the what is today southern Albania, but in the more southern areas it was far more mixed. This map also ignores the heavy Vlach element and assumes that all the Albanian speakers identified themselves as Albanians, which was not the case.
Its true, this is one of many maps.
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 30, 2008 11:25:42 GMT -5
I see the greatest problem with Epirus as well. Most of the maps show Southern Epirus as Greek and Northern Epirus as albanian peopled, mixed albanian-greek regions was the region of the todays borders between both countries and the western coast of Epirus.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 30, 2008 18:38:47 GMT -5
those are from 1912, mine is from 1861...it is even in my history book here in my university the same map...
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Apr 30, 2008 18:39:12 GMT -5
since that year the greek church has done a good job at assimilating people...
and that map is totally right, how do u people know it isnt? u got any other ethnic maps from 1861???
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Post by Kastorianos on May 1, 2008 4:58:36 GMT -5
No the first map says "vor den Kriegen 1912- 1918" which means before the wars of 1912-1918. And thats very important because it shows the ethnic composition when the regions were still under ottoman rule.
And the other one doesnt call any year.
So assimilation is a very weak argument, since it could have taken place only if the regions would have become Greek. Furthermore why do, if the greek church assimiliated so much as you say, all of a sudden appear vlachs on those maps? Those maps are much more unbiased than yours, because they show three people living in Epirus, while yours shows just one. And thats absurd, since this part of the Balkans was at this time anything but ethnic pure.
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Post by Toskaliku on May 1, 2008 10:47:57 GMT -5
The Ottoman millet system opened the door towards the Greek church activity. The Ottomans allowed and helped Greek priests in the assimilation of Albanian Christians so they could thereby more easily assimilate Muslim Albanians: divide et impera. Two system working for the purpose of our oppression.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 1, 2008 11:35:45 GMT -5
Any sources for such a policy?
I dont believe the ottoman empire was interested in supporting the assimilation of a great group into Greekness, especially not because there was a new Greek state since 1829, of which the ottoman empire knew that it had great territorial claims against it.
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Post by atlantis on May 1, 2008 12:35:10 GMT -5
not of great group into Greekness but in to orthodoxy or muslim ...the concept of the greeknes was after 1829 as a west idea ... and that's why arvanitas were orthodox or muslim to be in balance with Anatol ( Stamboll ) and that's smart but West didn't like that
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