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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 7, 2008 4:42:24 GMT -5
sweetheart, do you know why belgrade is called belgrade? it's cause the walls around medivel belgrade were white, and were built by Bulgarians. you should thank the croats, its tomislav that saved you. Citation needed. because he could never be the ruler of bulgars.simply put. interesting how his son wa 7/8ths Bulgarian. So why wasn't he "Emperor of the Bulgarians" instead of "Emperor of the Serbs"? edit: btw, i forgot to add, that Belgrade has belonged to Bulgaria longer than it has to serbia in history. Citation needed.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 5:35:18 GMT -5
He was of mixed origin so I don't know what he believed himself to be and neither do you. He took a Bulgarian wife, just like his father and grandfather. In three of the copies of his codex he is called "ruler of Bulgarians" among others. And if we look at the titles - the Bulgarian kings who ruled over Belgrade never called themselves "Emperor of Bulgarians and Serbs" or something like that. I am sure you can give me a source where he declares himself "King of the Bulgarians". Tako i ja, unuk i sin njihov, i izdanak dobroga kolena njihova, svetih bogaispovedajuæih roditelja i praroditelja mojih, nazvani rob Hristu Stefan, u Hristu Bogu blagoverni car svim Srbima i Grcima, i Stranama bugarskim, i celome Zapadu, Pomorju, Frugiji i Arbanasima, milošæu i pomoæu božijom samodržavni car, i, evo, reæi æu svu istinitu sadržinu života moga, kakva je od mladosti moje.www.guskova.ru/q?a=l&doc=/~mladich/zakonik/dzHe is called "ruler of Bulgarians" in the copies from Ravanica, Zagreb and Sophia. Here is one picture that I found: The underlined word is "bl'garskago" or "bugarskago".
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 5:39:05 GMT -5
So one bulgarian "historian" here says he couldn;t rule Bulgarians, the other bulgarian "historian" claims he was ruler of bulgarians as well. Dudes, are you gonna make up your mind or what?
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Post by SKORIC on Apr 7, 2008 5:44:38 GMT -5
1. Yes the Serbian monarchy had Bulgarian blood, but which monarchy in europe doesnt have mixed blood? They are all muts lol 2. Ancient Mecedonians were Greek. 3. Im not an expert on the modern slav speaking maco's, all i know is that most i know are really really thick headed. I dont consider it Serbian land, nor do i believe it should be part of Serbia again. What good would it do for us? Population of thick heads plus more Albanians who would all be hostile to Serbia and Serbs. No thanks. 4. Who cares? Skoric has spoken, you can all stop arguing now
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 7, 2008 5:53:58 GMT -5
I am sure you can give me a source where he declares himself "King of the Bulgarians". Tako i ja, unuk i sin njihov, i izdanak dobroga kolena njihova, svetih bogaispovedajuæih roditelja i praroditelja mojih, nazvani rob Hristu Stefan, u Hristu Bogu blagoverni car svim Srbima i Grcima, i Stranama bugarskim, i celome Zapadu, Pomorju, Frugiji i Arbanasima, milošæu i pomoæu božijom samodržavni car, i, evo, reæi æu svu istinitu sadržinu života moga, kakva je od mladosti moje.www.guskova.ru/q?a=l&doc=/~mladich/zakonik/dzHe is called "ruler of Bulgarians" in the copies from Ravan, Zagreb and Sophia. Here is one picture that I found: The underlined word is "bl'garskago" or "bugarskago". Pise "stranama bugarskim" sto znaci da je vladao delovima Bugarske sto ne potvrdjuje nista.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 5:55:14 GMT -5
So one bulgarian "historian" here says he couldn't rule Bulgarians, the other bulgarian "historian" claims he was ruler of bulgarians as well. Dudes, are you gonna make up your mind or what? 1. Kubrat said "he could never be the ruler of bulgars". There is a difference between "ruler" and "the ruler". Learn more English. 2. He was called "ruler of Bulgarians" in 3 of the copies of his codex, known as "Dushan's Code". I don't claim it, it is a fact.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 5:55:57 GMT -5
Pise "stranama bugarskim" sto znaci da je vladao delovima Bugarske sto ne potvrdjuje nista. Potvrdjuje da je Skoplje deo Bugarske
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 7, 2008 6:14:44 GMT -5
Catholics in east Croatia and Muslims in Bosnia are of Serb origin. They lost their identity in the same way Macedonians did which was assimilation by a foreign entity. 3. Im not an expert on the modern slav speaking maco's, all i know is that most i know are really really thick headed. I dont consider it Serbian land, nor do i believe it should be part of Serbia again. What good would it do for us? Population of thick heads plus more Albanians who would all be hostile to Serbia and Serbs. No thanks. So true. Bulgarians can have them.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 7, 2008 6:29:28 GMT -5
"Novi, i forgot to tell you one of my stories. One buddy of mine got married in Thesaloniki (solun) a woman of half slav origin from Aridaia. She told me that her Dad understood the Bulgarian tourists (in Halkidiki) better than the Skopians (from Skoplje)!! Her brother had an affair with a Polish lady, and she said that she could understand better the Polish lang than the one spoken by Skopians. I had my wife there busy running with the kids, so we couldn't do a proper "experiment" (am i watching too much "Lost" lately lol), comparing Serb language and Greek slavomak language. Sometimes i wander how nice it would be if we all traveled and draw our own conclusions, having open minds and a positive spirit. It also strikes me, that sometimes "official" studies lack the originality and quality of informal observations made by amateurs." I remember Sar once stated that the Slavic lanuage in northern Greece is somewhat different to the Vardarians. Pyrro, please don't refer Thesaloniki to Solun because l only call Thesaloniki as Thesaloniki.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 7, 2008 6:36:18 GMT -5
I will post something tomorrow which will be an interesting read. I will quote people like Cvijic, Dragasevic, Baker, Braun-Wiesbaden, Oestreich, Kondakov, Petrov, Doflein, Boue, Robert, Georgevitch and Bradaska.
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Post by pagane on Apr 7, 2008 6:49:34 GMT -5
I am waiting for Cvijic, he is so reliable.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 6:56:41 GMT -5
I will post something tomorrow which will be an interesting read. I will quote people like Cvijic, Dragasevic, Baker, Braun-Wiesbaden, Oestreich, Kondakov, Petrov, Doflein, Boue, Robert, Georgevitch and Bradaska. No need to do this. You mix some quotations, containing only one sentence, and than you say "This is not my opinion, this is Braun-Wiesbaden's (for example) opinion". The mixture is yours, and it is not worth reading. If you have facts, not opinions, I will be more willing to read them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 7:53:20 GMT -5
I will post something tomorrow which will be an interesting read. I will quote people like Cvijic, Dragasevic, Baker, Braun-Wiesbaden, Oestreich, Kondakov, Petrov, Doflein, Boue, Robert, Georgevitch and Bradaska. No need to do this. You mix some quotations, containing of only one sentence, and than you say "This is not my opinion, this is Braun-Wiesbaden's (for example) opinion". The mixture is yours, and it is not worth reading. If you have facts, not opinions, I will be more willing to read them. Please by questioning Novi's attitude and stance is like questioning your own presence here, since Novi is one of the lest extremist, pretty moderate, friendly, caring, smiling, Serbs around. So by doubting about his methods is equivalent to doubting about the value of ypour own presence here. If you dont like it, the doors are open.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 7:57:42 GMT -5
So one bulgarian "historian" here says he couldn't rule Bulgarians, the other bulgarian "historian" claims he was ruler of bulgarians as well. Dudes, are you gonna make up your mind or what? 1. Kubrat said "he could never be the ruler of bulgars". There is a difference between "ruler" and "the ruler". Learn more English. 2. He was called "ruler of Bulgarians" in 3 of the copies of his codex, known as "Dushan's Code". I don't claim it, it is a fact. Bypassing the childish tone of your sentence, i'll try to go down to your level in order to communicate. So the bulgars by having someone as "Ruler" but not as "The Ruler" would imply (mathematically) more than one rulers at the same time. Now for instance, you got more than one country in the EU telling you what to do, and you seem (by the latest anti-missile reports i've read) that you beg for more "rulers" like USA. Now it makes sense. Just in case, i am not interested in ruling you!
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 7:59:18 GMT -5
Please by questioning Novi's attitude and stance is like questioning your own presence here, since Novi is one of the lest extremist, pretty moderate, friendly, caring, smiling, Serbs around. This is an utterly idiotic statement. Many people are friendly, caring and smiling, but this doesn't mean, that their writings are worth reading. Besides that, I know Novi for many years and never knew he had those qualities. Of course the doors are open, I visit these forums very rarely. Too much idiotism around here.
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Post by Edlund on Apr 7, 2008 8:04:41 GMT -5
1. Kubrat said "he could never be the ruler of bulgars". There is a difference between "ruler" and "the ruler". Learn more English. 2. He was called "ruler of Bulgarians" in 3 of the copies of his codex, known as "Dushan's Code". I don't claim it, it is a fact. Bypassing the childish tone of your sentence, i'll try to go down to your level in order to communicate. So the bulgars by having someone as "Ruler" but not as "The Ruler" would imply (mathematically) more than one rulers at the same time. Now for instance, you got more than one country in the EU telling you what to do, and you seem (by the latest anti-missile reports i've read) that you beg for more "rulers" like USA. Man, you are never satisfied, you want more and more rulers. Just in case, i am not interested in ruling you! Yoy probably don't know, but in ancient and medieval times there were many Greek states, which all had their rulers. This means, the Greeks are never satisfied, they want more and more rulers. In modern Bulgaria live also some Greeks. They are being ruled by the same people as the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. This means, that the Greeks are never satisfied, they want more and more rulers. In modern Greece live also some Bulgarians. They are being ruled by the same people as the Greeks in Greece. This means, that the Bulgarians are proud people who never accept foreign rule. These are the conclusions if we follow your logic.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 8:08:55 GMT -5
Quoting from you: "No need to do this. You mix some quotations, containing only one sentence, and than you say "This is not my opinion, this is Braun-Wiesbaden's (for example) opinion". The mixture is yours, and it is not worth reading. If you have facts, not opinions, I will be more willing to read them. "
In the above sentence, you obviously cross the line of criticizing the sayings of Novi, and you enter the space of criticizing Novi as a personality. P.S. the word idiotic has became very popular lately in those forums. Abusing it is a priori idiotic. I would also call, for the hostility expressed by some to be toned down.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 8:11:55 GMT -5
Bypassing the childish tone of your sentence, i'll try to go down to your level in order to communicate. So the bulgars by having someone as "Ruler" but not as "The Ruler" would imply (mathematically) more than one rulers at the same time. Now for instance, you got more than one country in the EU telling you what to do, and you seem (by the latest anti-missile reports i've read) that you beg for more "rulers" like USA. Man, you are never satisfied, you want more and more rulers. Just in case, i am not interested in ruling you! Yoy probably don't know, but in ancient and medieval times there were many Greek states, which all had their rulers. This means, the Greeks are never satisfied, they want more and more rulers. In modern Bulgaria live also some Greeks. They are being ruled by the same people as the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. This means, that the Greeks are never satisfied, they want more and more rulers. In modern Greece live also some Bulgarians. They are being ruled by the same people as the Greeks in Greece. This means, that the Bulgarians are proud people who never accept foreign rule. These are the conclusions if we follow your logic. I didnt mean for you to take this literally. It was just a light way of telling you, do us a favor and get out of here, you fu cking cyco instigator.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 7, 2008 9:00:33 GMT -5
1. Kubrat said "he could never be the ruler of bulgars". There is a difference between "ruler" and "the ruler". Learn more English. 2. He was called "ruler of Bulgarians" in 3 of the copies of his codex, known as "Dushan's Code". I don't claim it, it is a fact. Bypassing the childish tone of your sentence, i'll try to go down to your level in order to communicate. So the bulgars by having someone as "Ruler" but not as "The Ruler" would imply (mathematically) more than one rulers at the same time. Now for instance, you got more than one country in the EU telling you what to do, and you seem (by the latest anti-missile reports i've read) that you beg for more "rulers" like USA. Now it makes sense. Just in case, i am not interested in ruling you! Make him a query (if possible SQL) so maybe he would understand. ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 7, 2008 9:18:57 GMT -5
select * from members where tag<>'instigator' and uid='Edlund'; (0 rows) ;D
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