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Post by adolfmussolini on Oct 19, 2008 19:02:41 GMT -5
Basil wrote: Why, don't they? Oh...Greeks love Albanians.... I tend to think Albanians love Greeks more than Greeks love Albanians... You're right Teuta, Albanians like Greeks way more, and until there are enough Greeks speaking Albanian as there are Albanians speaking Greek, Albanians will always have more of a right to complain
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 19, 2008 19:21:34 GMT -5
According to most recent studies, Albanian immigration to Greece is undergoing a major reversal now. Many are going back to Albania and will continue to over the next few decades. Many of these people are buying land mainly in Tirana, some also in Vlora or Durres, but 70% or so in Tirana.
Those who dont, well, I have an aunt who lives in Athens. For about 6 years we were organizing for her either come to NY or go to Canada. She almost reached the completion but stopped suddenly and just said that she was too tired to go on and that even though her children finished school, she was now too old to restart everything again. She will continue living in Greece for about 10-15 more years before she finally resettles in Albania for retirement. At this point she is 45... thats no age to be coming to the US....
Of her children, two want to come and work in the US now that they completed their education (They both attended an American University in Athens) while the third is marrying a Greek woman and will probably decide to stay where he is...
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 14:31:26 GMT -5
Guys.... i have a problem when I discuss with you; You contradict very much yourselves. Its like Fyromians when they say that "Macedonian minority" suffers in Greece, they dont allow them to keep their ID.... and the next moment they post a video in YouTube showing Macedonians listening to Macedonian music and dancing in an open fest... and they say "Look at Greeks, there are Macedonians there"! Come on.. let keep a level.. In the beggining of the conversation.. Albanians tortured in Greece... afterwards Albanians are progressing in Greece. Albanians feel home in Greece... the next moment Albanians feel threatend in Greece. Albanian economic immigrants are hunted down and killed from Greece.... the next moment Greece has the most Albanian economic immigrants from any other country in the world. Albanian hate the racists Greeks... the next moment my cousin married a Greek and bla bla bla. Greece is hell..... then next moment I wish I was back in Greece and not in US. Come on guys... decide so I can take a position! BandillMustaqezi "You're right Teuta, Albanians like Greeks way more, and until there are enough Greeks speaking Albanian as there are Albanians speaking Greek, Albanians will always have more of a right to complain" ------------------------------------------------- Guys... again.. get real! How that can happen??! Greece accepts immigrants. Albania sends immigrants. Greeks in Greece are 11 million... Albanians in Greece are 1 million. How the hell can the country that accepts immigrants learn the language of the immigrants?? Where in the world that happened so it can be happen again?! Can you imagine Germans in Germany start learning Turkish instead of Turkish immigrants start learning German? Can you imagine English in UK start learning Pakistani?! How the hell these ideas come in your minds?!! Get serious mate...
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Post by adolfmussolini on Oct 20, 2008 14:41:27 GMT -5
Guys.... i have a problem when I discuss with you; You contradict very much yourselves. Its like Fyromians when they say that "Macedonian minority" suffers in Greece, they dont allow them to keep their ID.... and the next moment they post a video in YouTube showing Macedonians listening to Macedonian music and dancing in an open fest... and they say "Look at Greeks, there are Macedonians there"! Come on.. let keep a level.. In the beggining of the conversation.. Albanians tortured in Greece... afterwards Albanians are progressing in Greece. Albanians feel home in Greece... the next moment Albanians feel threatend in Greece. Albanian economic immigrants are hunted down and killed from Greece.... the next moment Greece has the most Albanian economic immigrants from any other country in the world. Albanian hate the racists Greeks... the next moment my cousin married a Greek and bla bla bla. Greece is hell..... then next moment I wish I was back in Greece and not in US. Come on guys... decide so I can take a position! BandillMustaqezi "You're right Teuta, Albanians like Greeks way more, and until there are enough Greeks speaking Albanian as there are Albanians speaking Greek, Albanians will always have more of a right to complain" ------------------------------------------------- Guys... again.. get real! How that can happen??! Greece accepts immigrants. Albania sends immigrants. Greeks in Greece are 11 million... Albanians in Greece are 1 million. How the hell can the country that accepts immigrants learn the language of the immigrants?? Where in the world that happened so it can be happen again?! Can you imagine Germans in Germany start learning Turkish instead of Turkish immigrants start learning German? Can you imagine English in UK start learning Pakistani?! How the hell these ideas come in your minds?!! Get serious mate... Toskali is just a pathetic instigator who feels so inferior about his fshatar-villager roots that he makes up lies that his grandmother is from Narta(that's like the most famous Greek village in Albania besides Dropulli LOL! Not Obvious at all!!! LOLOL!!) that he's from Vlora, and Korca and Tepelena and Gjirokastra and all of southern Albania lmao. Now his cousin married a Greek, but he still wants to see Greeks die and still plans on getting a Dirty Sanchez from Bledi Xhaferri and you're right he contradicts himself and doesn't know whether he's coming or going but I still stand by everything I said, Greeks don't have to immigrate to learn how to speak Arvanitka
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 20, 2008 14:50:40 GMT -5
..and why me as Macedonian should I start learning Albanian or Arvanitika? Where that can help me proffecionaly or how it can improve my leaving standards??
Mate... that idea that you expressed is quite weird. Really.
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Oct 20, 2008 15:35:37 GMT -5
;D Toskali once told us that his grandmother was from Plikati, on the Greek side. I also remeber him telling us how he would pimp his own self to Greeks bussing tables for tips...telling them he was part Greek. Good grief...... Now he wants to kill all of them. Now he's given up acting for 'Classical studies'...hmmm what does classical studies consist of? How's the scholarship to Cambridge coming along?
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Post by rex362 on Oct 20, 2008 16:08:15 GMT -5
Hot Stink Of Uranus what a handle .... AHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHA
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 20, 2008 18:23:48 GMT -5
Hahahaha nothing How the Greeks influence the Assyrians is the right Question here ??
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 20, 2008 18:39:30 GMT -5
retarded basta,,, MandillMustaqezi oneira gjlika me ayto to pleuro na kimase
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 20, 2008 19:29:41 GMT -5
Its Oxford. And Im not sure of it until I finish my undergrad presentation at a regional NY conference next year... (or it might be in Boston, Im not sure, but hey, if its in Boston, perhaps we can have lunch Eva ;D I promise you, Im a cool guy in real life... hehe!) Im not even sure whats its going to be on yet... And there is no scholarship, I just get to study at the school, Ill be paying 14,000 bucks for it and Ill have to spend my own money besides about 2800 bucks Ill be getting through the Rosevsky Foundation and about 850 I get from the Saul Levin Foundation, a grant for those taking ancient Greek... Im reliant on the handouts of Jews. heh, Kastor said Plikati was Albanian speaking still... Wtf... You guys have truly done your job right huh? Albanians need to learn from you people. And no, my father's side is from Plikat.. They are no where near Greeks, the family is Muslim. My mother's side is mixed. WTF is this. Jesus Ive been in this forum WAY too long... Its like you people know me personally. WTF!!! This is fukin scary... So Eva, how is your restaurant? I think I mentioned that stuff like 3 years ago!!!!!! You should go visit Cafe on the Green before it closes. The mafia owner has recently lost his hold over it and his lease ends on Jan 1. Its a pretty nice place, and your bound to run into some kind of Italian or Greek party. ;D I never said I disliked Greeks, I said I dislike the Greeks in Albania. I told Niklianos that if I met him I would gladly shake his hand and greet him. ;D
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Post by leandros nikon on Oct 20, 2008 19:56:47 GMT -5
greeks and albs fighting like cats and dogs again... ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Oct 20, 2008 22:52:55 GMT -5
Basil wrote:
Basil, the position is simple. All we are saying is that Albanians love Greece (and Greeks) but Greeks don't love Albanians. Albanians are being very discriminated and humiliated in Greece. As simple as that. This turned out Albanians to dislike Greeks.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Oct 20, 2008 23:04:56 GMT -5
Bandill,
with Turks is a different matter. I would say Albanians in Albania never loved or hated Turks. They simply existed. Turks (in my generation point of view) were only our occupiers for 500 years who somewhat left Albania behind. When religion is involved, Albanians and Greeks tend to scream out loud...but as long as Turks are on the far away and offer nothing but friendship to Albania now, Albanians don't have any reason to hate them.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Oct 20, 2008 23:05:44 GMT -5
bandill, Where did your post go?
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Post by albquietman on Oct 20, 2008 23:11:14 GMT -5
I don't think that in general albanians hate greeks, no wonder what you guys read here from some people that never been there and I would call their hate virtual, because it was born and raised online . All it is, is the social-economic differences that Greece and Albania has for the time being. This always creates tensions between people even within a country with the same nationality. So I don't think is well thought when you greeks say that we albanians hate you, and vice-versa. We don't hate you, and I don't think you hate us...only if we keep in control our nationalistic genes in control, and that should be done first by you greeks, because you are in a better position than us right now economically and politically...
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Post by adolfmussolini on Oct 20, 2008 23:16:37 GMT -5
I don't think that in general albanians hate greeks, no wonder what you guys read here from some people that never been there and I would call their hate virtual, because it was born and raised online . Exactly, like "Toskaliku" lol. Either he is just doing this for shits and giggles or he really suffered at the hands of some Greek...and Teuta I agree with you too, dont know about the post lol.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Oct 21, 2008 0:03:04 GMT -5
Albanian nationalistic genes is out of control not the greek one you burn greek flags and discriminate the Epirotes in Albania Mother Greece should put an end of discrimination and rasicm against Hellenic People in Albania and protect the Human rights of the Epirotes.
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Post by speedy on Oct 22, 2008 1:30:32 GMT -5
Basil, the position is simple. All we are saying is that Albanians love Greece (and Greeks) but Greeks don't love Albanians. Albanians are being very discriminated and humiliated in Greece. As simple as that. This turned out Albanians to dislike Greeks. There is no discrimination going on. Most Albanians who work in Greece send money to their families back in Albania. They build homes and businesses in Albania and then eventually return there. Albanians who decided to stay permanently in Greece are being assimilated quickly into Greek society, baptizing their children into the Greek Orthodox Church, taking Greek names and sending their children to Greek schools. Within a generation there will be nothing separating them from the rest of Greek society. On the other hand the Epirotes have been discriminated for decades by denying them the most basic of human dignity, murders, beatings on a daily basis, lack of Greek schooling facilities to name a few. Since Albania refuses to respect their rights. Through war or business, we will make northern Epiros Hellenic again, justice & human rights finally restored for the Greek Epirotes once again after hundred years. Greek Epirotes aren’t interested on becoming assimilated with the Albanian society for reasons mentioned above & another for being occupied by foreigners on their own lands.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Oct 22, 2008 11:00:29 GMT -5
Greek Epirotes aren’t interested on becoming assimilated with the Albanian society That's a lie because a lot of them have already been assimilated, a good example of this are the cities of Gjirokastra and Korca, where you won't find too many people waving Greek flags, not even in Dropulli and they are the purest Greeks in Albania(some mingle with Albanian's though, my friend's grandma is from there and even though she looks more Greek than Albanian shes still says shes Albanian)
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 22, 2008 16:41:43 GMT -5
BandillMustaqezi..I don't understand why you picking on Toski so much..the guy never insults you.
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