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Post by greekscandal on Mar 3, 2009 11:01:19 GMT -5
Your Greeknes just being questioned by others in enough to soil your being of anything ancient . Keep justifying ,eventually you will stumble and give up and suddenly start speaking a new language , maybe Slavic Remember , the consciousness of the modern Greek of his classical ancestry is a product of Western scholarship.
Romaios Just like I said ,you have to justify being Greek for the 10,000th time . That alone stains your being . They surely dont ask the Chinese to prove that they are Chinese,do they?
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 11:23:39 GMT -5
Something about the Albanian Vocabulary: Translation from german www.linguistik.uni-erlangen.de/~bmkabash/Fiedler/EINF-ALB.20070524.BKTT.pdf" Çabej referred several times, particularly in the introduction volume to its large-scale etymologischen dictionary, 25 to the “multicoloredness of the material” (“i rezultoi të jetë laraman përtej masës”). Of into the EW the taken up approx. 5140 words are after Meyers interpretation 1420 Latin-Roman,540 slavischen, 1180 Turkish , 840 of again-Greek origin , and only approx. 400 (thus about 7.77% the entire Lexik represented here) is of Meyer themselves with more or less large security as indigenous inheritance recognized. Of its 5140 words remain approx. 730 unerklärt, “për të cilat ai shpresën dhe dëshirën që pasardhës më mirë të armatosur e më të hollë SE shprehte ai mundësisht SA më parë t'i pakësonin”.( ) We throw a short view of some statistics, those after Meyer to alb. Were vocabulary-published: F. Nopcsa 27 found Rome under 282 words 126 of autochthonen origin, 82 from the Lat., collected in north Albania -., 52 from the Türk. and 18 from the Slav.stammende elements. After Meyer Luebke 28 Roman are and hardly 10% native over 20% of the word trunks ( “fjalë bazë (të parme) “). After Nahtigal and Oštir (Hrvatska Reèija [?] 7, (1939), S. 389, contains alb. Encyclopedia 22% Turkish, 6% Romanian, 27% Latin-Italian, 16.3% again-Greek, 10.5% slavische and 14.2% native Elemente.Dagegen thought pc. MAN (introduction to its Alb. - English Dictionary of 1948) that the 400 autochthonen elements found by Meyer could be verfünffacht at least, i.e. he estimated it at at least 2000 elements. (2000 original Albo words!!! )Çabej is (ebda., S. “që përmban fjalë popullore të një përdorimi më të përgjithshëm” to the result it arrives to 114 f.) with the investigation of a complex of 1424 words that 757 loan words oppose 667 native words. The relationship is completely unterchiedlich in the individual areas of the vocabulary. “" And can any Albanian give a translation on this: 32 Çabej, ebda., S. 114 f.: "Nga nomenklatura e konfiguracionit të terrenit, ndër 51 fjalë na dalin 34 të vendit e 17 huazime; nga ajo e dukurive atmosferike, ndër 44 fjalë 30 të vendit e 14 huazime; nga ajo e astronomisë popullore, në 13 fjalë 9 të vendit e 4 huazime; nga ajo e ndarjes së kohës, duke përfshirë aty edhe numrat e ngjyrat, në 78 fjalë 50 të vendit e 28 huazime; nga fusha e bimësisë, në 113 fjalë 66 të vendit e 47 huazime; nga ajo e blegtorisë e e bulmetorisë, në 108 fjalë 63 fjalë vendi e 45 të huazuara; nga emërtimet e trupit të njeriut dhe e funksioneve të tij, ndër 157 fjalë 90 të vendit e 67 huazime. Sikundër shihet, elementi i trashëguar në këto sfera leksikore del më i madh se ai i huazimit, me 342 përkundrejt 222 në gjithqish 564 fjalë. Mbizotëron përkundrazi elementi i huaj në disa sfera të tjera. Kështu në nomenklaturën e botës shtazore, ndër 145 fjalë gjejmë 70 të vendit e 75 huazime; me atë që i përket jetës së njeriut (lindje, martesë, vdekje), ndër 98 fjalë 48 të vendit e 50 huazime; në atë të veshmbathjes, të tualetës e të ushqimit, ndër 174 fjalë 74 të vendit e 100 huazime; në atë të banimit e të pajimeve shtëpiake, ndër 158 fjalë 43 të vendit e 115 huazime; në atë të detarisë, të lundrimit e të peshkatarisë, në 34 fjalë 12 të vendit e 22 huazime; në atë të bujqësisë, në 81 fjalë 34 të vendit e 47 huazime; në atë të bimëve të kulturës, në 46 fjalë vetëm 6 të vendit përballë 40 huazimeve; nga ajo e mjeshtërive dhe e veglave të tyre, në 100 fjalë 34 të vendit e 66 huazime; nga besimet popullore, në 24 fjalë vetëm 4 të vendit e 20 huazime, ndërsa emrat e metaleve janë të gjitha burimi të huaj; kështu, në këto sfera të shikuara së bashku, ndër 860 fjalë, 325 të vendit qëndrojnë përballë 535 huazime. Gjithsejt pra, në 1424 të marra në shqyrtim, 667 fjalë vendi qëndrojne përballë 757 huazimeve ..." ;D Isn't Cabej and Meyer reliable for an Albo? How the hell did all these words entered "albanian" language if different people(Romans, Greeks(Anc.Byz.Mod.), Slavs, Vlachs, Turks etc etc) hadn't mingled and formed the albanian people.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 11:39:06 GMT -5
What does Alb language have to do with anything here? Why do you also feel the need to prove we have loanwords(every language does) and thus discredit it?
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 11:46:27 GMT -5
The Greekness of the rest ~90% of the Greek populaton isn't less Greek because we accept those who want to be part of what we call "Hellenic ethnos" that has unbroken history of more than 3,000 years(DOCUMENTED AND NOT INTERNET FANTASIES).Bingo!, thats what i been trying to say The huge differerence is that you "accept" and claim as part of your "ethnos" populations that hear " alvanos" and get sick...see Arvanites, Himariotes etc... All nations have inside them groups with different origins from the majority, unless if you think that Albanians are "pure"....??!!?
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Post by chalkedon on Mar 3, 2009 11:47:33 GMT -5
language is everything...without that, how can you claim lineage or knowledge of your ancestors ?!
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 11:48:16 GMT -5
What does Alb language have to do with anything here? Why do you also feel the need to prove we have loanwords(every language does) and thus discredit it? I posted it because some Albos here pretend to believe that they are ..."pure"...
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 11:54:28 GMT -5
So loanwords in a language make you un-pure? That's a new for me. Please enlighten me how is that so...
Albanian language still retains its core and loanwords are usually on modern/technological words.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Mar 3, 2009 11:54:48 GMT -5
The way it should be if you ask me...considering illyrians and hellens had the same ancestors lol ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 12:21:44 GMT -5
So loanwords in a language make you un-pure? That's a new for me. Please enlighten me how is that so... Albanian language still retains its core and loanwords are usually on modern/technological words. I don't think that you don't understand what i'm saying. Albanian language is an hybrid language,Cabej's and Meyers' statistics on vocabulary say that. Of course every language has loanwords, Greek too. These loanwords have a history...but as I understand you don't want to search a little bit.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 12:30:17 GMT -5
another highduke... sure whatever you say our is hybrid while yours is pure.
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 12:53:51 GMT -5
Does the word "hybrid" bothers you? Because in my dictionary it means :"anything derived from heterogeneous sources etc" and according to the greatest Albanian linguist,as I've heard, Cabej and the wellknown Meyer I'm right...or you have another opinion?
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Post by leandros nikon on Mar 3, 2009 12:57:11 GMT -5
does atlantis remain albanian at least?
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Post by Patrinos on Mar 3, 2009 13:15:25 GMT -5
Why it has to change? We all know that Atlantis was the lost homeland of Ljaps.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 14:33:09 GMT -5
Atlantis can't be. Everything created on earth is Greek.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 3, 2009 15:28:51 GMT -5
I don't think Insomniac thinks everything Alb is pure...for he is a Vlach.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 15:37:09 GMT -5
I am
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 17:44:32 GMT -5
No nation is pure just some are more uniform than others. All the processes that have happened for thousands of years, it is stupid to hold onto such ideas.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 3, 2009 17:45:36 GMT -5
I am Well thats what you said .... if not then my memory failed me..
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Post by insomniac on Mar 3, 2009 17:53:08 GMT -5
Nah. One day i was researching of what could've been the possible far origins of my ancestors and i made that statement. I was born in Fier, Albania so were my great grandparents.
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Post by alb12345 on Mar 3, 2009 18:05:01 GMT -5
I don't think Insomniac thinks everything Alb is pure...for he is a Vlach.[/quote]
we had some vlach in albania before but since the borders wore open with greece they all left albania bcs in greece they are called HOMOGENOS . we have to thanks greece for making our vlachs pure greeks ;D
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