Yes, mostly against Greece and Bulgaria. They are trying to rob Greece of its glorious Macedon past and are claiming every Bulgarian that was born in fyrom. They dont know they are still Bulgarians and try to present Samuel as "Macedonian". Too bad his nephew made it clear, when he wrote in the Bitola inscription he was "Bulgarian by origin".
IS FYROM COMMITTING CULTURAL GENOCIDE? ------------------------------------------------- ...the last 40 years. It is not something new....
Yes you are right, this is nothing new. Basil and Ioan I think we need to begin playing stupid with them. WE SHOULD REALLY EVERY TIME THEY WRITE ANYTHING AGAINST US JUST THE USE THE TERM CULTURAL GENOCIDE AND THROW IT IN THEIR FACES. What they are trying to do fits the definition of cultural genocide to a tee.
The other thing I noticed especially from this Makmako guy... he plays stupid, as if he does not know anything about his people being Macedonians. He is not here to debate or learn but simply to circulate lies and propaganda. There is a post he made that compares Greece to Nazi Germany. This post is in The FYROM/Skopje forum. They play stupid like they really don't know but they know the truth and are dishonest.
Last Edit: Mar 15, 2009 9:33:25 GMT -5 by Kassandros
Thats is what we're doing and that is what we'll always do for the rest of our lives. I said it before... there is not even on chance in my life.. to see something written for Macedonia.... taking as granded it is FYROM... and I would not intervene. Not even one chance. They will live with our comments for the rest of their lives since they have choosen this path. For sure... that will be a weird living for us...... but for them too! So... here we are and here we'll be in the future...
May I answer instead of Ioan? Start with Stojan Novakovic and Serbian policy and you will know why. Must be disappointing for you to have caused this mess to Greeks but history is history. Serbia wanted a separate identity and now you have it. Cheers.
They arent Serbs. And the Serbs know it and accept it. Except Novi, who is Torlakians and speaks smth like a Bulgarian dialect. He is eager to proove fyroms are "brainwashed Serbs"so that Torlakians are pure Serbs. Every linguist is on the oppinion fyrom is bg dialect. Actually tnx to the serbian policy on Bulgarian ethnic lands we have this monstrosity: the fyrom nation who steals history from Greece and Bulgaria. NOTICE how the Serbian rulers of fyrom (Dushan, Marko) are NOT claimed as fyroms. They are Serbs. But Samuel is "macedonian". This would answer you who fucked up the fyroms brains.
"May I answer instead of Ioan? Start with Stojan Novakovic and Serbian policy and you will know why. Must be disappointing for you to have caused this mess to Greeks but history is history. Serbia wanted a separate identity and now you have it. Cheers."
Ruse, Ruse, Ruse why do you think Novakovich did this?. He did this so he could save the vardarians from complete Bulgarisation. The Turkish backed Bulgarian Exarchate which was supplanted in vardar during the second half of the 19th century was exploited by the Bulgars to reach their national ambitions. Thanks to Pajsije's Slaveno-Bulgarska istorija and the fear the Bulgars had for the patriarchate because they felt they were going to be denationalised, resulted in a mass of people losing their serbian consciousness.
The reason why the Turkish backed Bulgarian Exarchate was introduced into ottoman vardar was to denationalise the rebellious serbs into a mass of patient and submissive Bulgars......read below again:
"It is understandable that the Turks preferred the patient and submissive Bulgar to the rebellious Serb or Greek. Since the Serbian principality had gained its freedom, the Turks regarded every Serb who declared himself to be such as a rebellious conspirator against the Turkish regime. This circumstance was widely exploited by the Bulgars in order to spread their propaganda among the Serbs outside the principality. Whoever was reluctant to become a Bulgar and persisted in calling himself a Serb was denounced to the Turks as conspiring with Serbia, and could expect severe punishment. Serbian priests were maltreated; permission was refused to open Serbian schools and those that were already in existence were closed; Serbian monasteries were destroyed. In order to avoid persecution, the population renounced its nationality and called itself Bulgarian........during the last thirty or forty years, propaganda has been rife in which the Bulgars have encouraged the Turks to act against Serbs and Greeks. Hence, throughout Macedonia, Thrace and Dardania, Slavs are considered to be Bulgars, which is quite incorrect. On the contrary, the Slavs in Macedonia are incapable of understanding a Bulgar from Jantra. If it is desired to designate these Slavs correctly, than they must be considered as Serbs, for the Serbian name is so popular among them that for example male children are sometimes christened "Srbin" [Serb]. the Serbian hero of the folk poems, Marko Kraljevich is obviously the Serbian ruler in Macedonia."
Alexander von Heksch "Die Donau von ihrem Ursprung bis an die Mundung",Leipzig,1885,pp.636
I'm considering writing in vardar forum about their exact same culture as the serbs which is alien to the Bulgars. Our Greek brothers and sisters here will be shocked to realise the exactness when you compare the cultures of the serbs and idiotic vardarians.
Alexander von Heksch "Die Donau von ihrem Ursprung bis an die Mundung",Leipzig,1885,pp.636
I am not commenting on this source. It is utter idiocy. I have replied may be ten times to it but Novi keeps on posting it with an unexplainable stubornness (not bothering to comment on my replies, why should he do it when he can not comment but only copy/paste only) , not realizing the stupidity in it. Novi, I thought you hated germanics. How comes your pitiful sources come from Germans only? Couldn't find anything from anyone more reliable?
I'm considering writing in vardar forum about their exact same culture as the serbs which is alien to the Bulgars.
With a few more posts like this you won't be taken seriously by anyone, keep up the good work. Novi, do you speak serbian, btw? Or you have to use a translator...
Post by Kassandros on Mar 17, 2009 16:34:25 GMT -5
I really dont get where is the dispute between Serbs and Bulgarians. Since Fyromians are prooven Slavic people... there is no need to discuss about it. The northerners most propably are Serbs and the Southerners most propably are Bulgarians. Why do you have this dispute? It will be wrong for someone to claim all of them since they have been created artificial and that means... many many became "macenoids" from both sides respectfully to the borders. That seems to be more logical to me.
Post by ilirdardani on Mar 17, 2009 23:52:21 GMT -5
I'm with Novi on this one, the Macedonians are more Serb then Bulgarian, their language of course is a mix, because that's what they want in reality, to claim that it is the 'macedonian' language and that they're the 'real' macedons.
basil, its a reasonable discussion, because all sources attest that the vast majority of these people were Bulgarian. Domestic sources, for example the Samuels nephew in 11 century wrote he is Bulgarian by origin. The Bulgarian national revival was started by an ethnic "Macedonian". Every traveller attested they are and felt Bulgarian. The VMRO was a Bulgarian organization. Every famous "Macedonian" from the revival period made it clear he felt Bulgarian. I wont go and mention the biggest proove: "mac" lang is an ANALYTICAL lang, the only other, along with Bulgarian. The Serbian is SINTACTICAL. Which means the grammer is totally different. Mac is classified as every thinking and knowing linguist as a bg dialect. Against that we have the so called slava or sava tradition, celebrated around skopie. Ok so the Serbs ruled them 100 years, brainwashed them, made them shizophrenic who claim Cleo, Alex and, I wpouldnt be surprised, Jesus JUST so they stop being Bulgarians. I just dont get it how you do not get it.
This is only a part of it, more will be added in the vardar forum, but l want to illustrate me reasoning, read below:
Where ever Serbs may live, pay great respect to their monastries, more especially to those Serbian monastries which played a prominent part in the culture and politics of Serbia's past, or where lie buried the great and worthy men who have since been canonized by the Serbian Church. To these monastries the Serbian people repair even from very great distances. Sometimes it is a pilgrimage of ten days' journey. In olden times these pilgrimages to the Serbian monastries took place more frequently than now. Every one who was able considered it a patriotic duty to visit them at least once in his life, to express his respect and to present them with gifts. Thus Serbs from all Serbian lands used to go on pilgrimage to the Monastery of Hilendar on Mount Athos, the oldest of the Serbian monasteries and the earliest centre of Serbian literature and civilisation. Another spot, visited particularly by Serbs from Serbia, Bosnia, Hercegovina, Vidin, and the Sofia counties is the Monastery of Studenica, where St. Stephan Nemanja and St. Stephan Prvovencani lie buried. The monastries in Srem, where rest the bones of Tsar Urosh, Prince Lazar, Stephan Stiljanovac, and other Serbian saints, are favorite places of pilgrimage for the Serbs of all the Serbian lands under Austria. In the same manner the Serbian people used to go on pilgrimage to the Monastry of Eilo, where the body of St. John Eilski is preserved, one of the earliest preachers of Christianity among the Serbs, and to the Monastry of Decani, where rests that of Stephan Decanski. This pious custom prevails also in Macedonia. The Macedonians, too, repair the monastries to worship the relics there, and that in the same monastries as other Serbs. And because they were the nearest at hand, the Macedonians most frequently went to the Monastries of Decani, Hilendar, Bilo, and the Patriarchal Monastery of Ipek.
The departure for the monasteries was a very solemn custom in Macedonia. Every year, on appointed days, from fifty to a hundred men from certain villages would repair Serbian monastries. Besides their own gifts, they carried also the gifts of their kinsfolk, neighbours, fellow townsmen, and guild. On the appointed day the pilgrims, arrayed in their Sunday clothes, first went to the church to pray. After prayer they set fourth, accompanied by the priests in full canonicals, bearing crosses and icons, and by the populace. At the gates or confines of the town they took leave and went on their way. Their reception at the monastery was an equally solemn affair. The monks in canonicals, with crosses and icons, came out to meet them. At the place of meeting a short prayer was said, and then, singing hymns, the procession went on to the monastery. On the following day a solemn service was held, afterwhich the pilgrims would kiss the relics of the Serbian kings and saints preserved in the monastery and present their gifts. The departure from the monastery and the reception of the pilgrims on their return home were likewise solemn occasions. The Bulgars, too, have their holy places and their relics, but the Macedonians know nothing about them.
Of all monastries the Macedonians went most frequently to Decani, where is the tomb of the Serbian king Stephan Besanski (1321 - 1331). This is the very king of Serbia who defeated the Bulgars at Velbuzd in 1330 and so decided the fate of Macedonia in favor of Serbia for the rest of the middle Ages. stephan Decanski is the most popular saint in Macedonia. He is never called anything else there but "Holy King." Before the Bulgarian propaganda made its appearance in Macedonia, every well-to-do Macedonian used to consider it a religious and patriotic duty to go at least once in his life to worship at the tomb of the Holy King and to bear gifts to his monastry. And in every house in Macedonia could hbe seen the icon of the holy King, beside that of the patron saint of the house.
This custom of going on pilgrimage to Serbian monastries shows the purely feeling of the macedonians. The special respect for Stephan Decanski, who in 1330 defended Macedonia from a Bulgarian invasion, shows how strong that feeling is.
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