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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 25, 2008 20:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 25, 2008 21:22:02 GMT -5
I know all the people that she talked about...Some of the biggest politicans in the US have been to these institutions...the biggest was when President Clinton came to the Bektashi Teqe.
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Post by albillyrian on Oct 26, 2008 4:54:08 GMT -5
It's a shame...albanian muslims...asiatic religion...african culture...wtf...!
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Oct 26, 2008 5:23:19 GMT -5
the same goes for the christian albanians...middle eastern religion and culture...wtf? Lets adopt atheism!
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Post by Pejoni on Oct 26, 2008 6:57:51 GMT -5
It's a shame...albanian muslims...asiatic religion...african culture...wtf...! a shame you call yourself albillyrian when you show your hate against the majority of Albanians.
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Post by albillyrian on Oct 26, 2008 7:59:29 GMT -5
Europian culture is a middle eastern culture??? Wrong! Maybe the origin of religion is from middle eastern but europian culture not!
Anyway, it will be a good choice to adopt atheism. Its better to be atheist than islamic.
Pejon, sepse dua te miren e tyre prandaj e kundershtoj islamin
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Post by kasso on Oct 26, 2008 9:51:05 GMT -5
albillyrian, you should respect the religion of every Albanian, weather they are Christians, Muslims or Athiests! Don't start "witch-hunting" Albanians because of religion!
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 26, 2008 12:20:55 GMT -5
AlbIllyrian, maybe living in Greece has warped your mind. However the fact is that 70% of Albania is Muslim along with 90% of Kosovo Albanian, and the vast majority of Macedonian and Montenegrin Albs. On the whole, Albanians are largely a Muslim people... so really, have some respect.
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Post by albillyrian on Oct 26, 2008 16:28:48 GMT -5
AlbIllyrian, maybe living in Greece has warped your mind. However the fact is that 70% of Albania is Muslim along with 90% of Kosovo Albanian, and the vast majority of Macedonian and Montenegrin Albs. On the whole, Albanians are largely a Muslim people... so really, have some respect. 70% muslims were in 1960. Many of albanians emigrants which live today in Italy and Greece have changed religion. I am sure that now albanian population is 20% muslim, 30% christian, and 50% atheist. In Kosovo 98% of population is muslim. I am atheist, but I don't like that europians consider Albania a muslim country.
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 26, 2008 16:36:29 GMT -5
Thats too bad for you then, since thats a reality your going to have to come to terms with...
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 26, 2008 16:45:06 GMT -5
AlbIllyrian, maybe living in Greece has warped your mind. However the fact is that 70% of Albania is Muslim along with 90% of Kosovo Albanian, and the vast majority of Macedonian and Montenegrin Albs. On the whole, Albanians are largely a Muslim people... so really, have some respect. 70% muslims were in 1960. Many of albanians emigrants which live today in Italy and Greece have changed religion. I am sure that now albanian population is 20% muslim, 30% christian, and 50% atheist. In Kosovo 98% of population is muslim. I am atheist, but I don't like that europians consider Albania a muslim country. Albanians who live in Greece changing religion is a good thing? They have also changed their identity Lol. anyway this is nothing to worry about, the bektashi shouldn't even be called Muslim they are so far removed from Islam it isn't even funny. The only religious people in Albania are in the North, Catholics, the rest (Orthodox or Muslim) observe religious holidays maybe but are not religious at all and plenty intermarry. Of course you will find few religious ones scattered, but they are the minority. You should not blame Toskali for thinking Albania is a religious country though, he is probably from Kosova or the Fyrom
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 26, 2008 16:55:59 GMT -5
My father is Bektashi and if he was forced to say what religion he is, although he is in reality an atheist, he would say Muslim.
And as for thinking, your one of the most detached people in Albania and still adore socialism... talk about a minority opinion. Facts are facts, whether they are observant or not, most Albanians still define with their traditional inherited faith. And that still means most Albs are Muslim.
Personally, what Europe thinks is its own business, however realities are realities. And for him to come here and insult, something probably inherited while living in a country like Greece, is pretty abhorrent.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 26, 2008 17:10:51 GMT -5
My father is Bektashi and if he was forced to say what religion he is, although he is in reality an atheist, he would say Muslim. And as for thinking, your one of the most detached people in Albania and still adore socialism... talk about a minority opinion. Facts are facts, whether they are observant or not, most Albanians still define with their traditional inherited faith. And that still means most Albs are Muslim. Personally, what Europe thinks is its own business, however realities are realities. And for him to come here and insult, something probably inherited while living in a country like Greece, is pretty abhorrent. If it makes you feel any better, I'm detached and your attached lmao. You're right about one thing though, facts are indeed facts. Agh! Si ste pyta emrin e kengtarit perpara... si na ke <b>hike</b> o hajvan... Hike? Who in Albania says hike? Dumb poser, lol.
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 26, 2008 17:23:28 GMT -5
Very very true. But at least I dont feel the need to create an image thats not there simply for the purpose of making Albania look nicer to others and feeling better about myself abroad. Ill admit that in the beginning of the 1900's most Albanians still identified with the Ottoman Empire and it was only the brainwashing of Hoxha that made them somehow believe otherwise. And today that mosques in the country still get a large gathering whether its from the Cams in Sarande, or everybody else in Tirana, or the Shkodrans or the Dursaket.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 26, 2008 17:29:35 GMT -5
Very very true. But at least I dont feel the need to create an image thats not there simply for the purpose of making Albania look nicer to others and feeling better about myself abroad. Ill admit that in the beginning of the 1900's most Albanians still identified with the Ottoman Empire and it was only the brainwashing of Hoxha that made them somehow believe otherwise. And today that mosques in the country still get a large gathering whether its from the Cams in Sarande, or everybody else in Tirana, or the Shkodrans or the Dursaket. dude what?? funny how you ignored the hike part You make no sense whatsover, and you've been proven wrong by other people here who are from Albania. You're trying to create the image that Albanians are hardcore Muslims or Turks, if you are one that's fine, but that doesn't represent the majority in Albania..... Lolmao Sarandjotet would laugh in your face for the nonsense you just wrote. Enver hoxha brainwashed Albanians not to believe they're Turks? LOL You should try swallowing cyanide capsules.
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Post by meltdown711 on Oct 26, 2008 17:31:00 GMT -5
There is a mosque in the middle of Sarande, and one thing about it is that it is loud, and I mean loud, and when that loud sound rings, you should see how many Albs can be seen entering... Would you rather have me add -kur to it? I never said hardcore, and I did say even if they are non-observant. I doubt if one of the is told the samething Albillyrian wrote he would respond positively. In fact it would strengthen his religion. Im not saying people are big worshippers, however they still do define with their faith.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 26, 2008 17:54:16 GMT -5
^^You are a delusional moron, some define with their faith some don't, most don't care. Like I said if you feel more Turkish than Albanian that's fine, but you are in the minority, I don't know how to speak Turkish, so I can't explain this to you in your native tongue...
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Post by hellboy87 on Oct 27, 2008 9:04:38 GMT -5
proleteriat,your identity is yourself.You want ALbanian identity,than put up with the reality! your the delusional moron
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Post by Pejoni on Oct 27, 2008 9:41:11 GMT -5
Its not the first time we see sellouts Albanians preaching here and other forums with their BS. Everyone has right to choose what ever they want to belive, but who ever tries to play a missionary should be shoot on the spot. Fcuking I hate them!
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Post by captainalbania on Oct 27, 2008 9:42:11 GMT -5
Hellboy youre not even Albanian so shove off.
As for islam i dislike it. Although i dont consider the bektashi to be muslims (and neither do other muslims), they are more like buddhists.
christianity i dislike less, but i will respect everyone's freedom of religion.
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