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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 10:24:01 GMT -5
proleteriat,your identity is yourself.You want ALbanian identity,than put up with the reality! your the delusional moron me hengsh karin, Albanian identity= proud subjects of the Ottoman Empire? I don't think so !!
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 16:27:16 GMT -5
Thats right...proleteriat,you are an example to what some can expect.
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 16:54:36 GMT -5
Thats right...proleteriat,you are an example to what some can expect. Yes I miss those Ottomans, good times. i am a perfect example of whatever "some" can "expect" (?!?!??) you are right
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Kanaris
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This just in>>>> Nobody gives a crap!
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 27, 2008 17:39:40 GMT -5
Well judging from your responses.... they got no substance... I must admit you are good at insulting people... yeah yeah yeah... you only insult where people insult you...bull ,no one personally insulted you... so why so hostile?
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Post by proleteriat on Oct 27, 2008 19:31:37 GMT -5
Well judging from your responses.... they got no substance... I must admit you are good at insulting people... yeah yeah yeah... you only insult where people insult you...bull ,no one personally insulted you... so why so hostile? Dont be nervous, I am here to combat ignorance, but sometimes I insult people here for shits and giggles, besides you told me to go ask my mommy lol how was i supposed to respond. I am sorry though
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 22, 2009 19:16:24 GMT -5
Can someone clean up the topic? BEKTASHISM - The Faith of Tosk Albanians At one point most Muslims in Albania were Bektashi until the eighteenth century, when the movement was persecuted by Ottoman Sunni authorities. www.greekhelsinki.gr/pdf/cedime-se-albania-bektashis.docFrom Naim Frasheri's Epic Poem Karbala on the 12 Sufi Saint ('12 Imams'): Besuame Perendime, Edhe Muhammet Aline, Haxhidien'e Fatime, Hasan edhe Hysen, Imamet te Dymbedhjet, qe ishin te vertet. Kemi mem e at Aline, q'e njohem si perendime, te pare kemi Xhafer, nuk njohem te tjere, kemi plak mi njerzine, Haxhi Bektashi Veline, Zotn'e udhes se vertete, q'ishte si Aliun vete, se ishte nga ajo dere, p andaj mori gjith nere.One of the key features of Bektashi Islam that has both been a reason why it has been persecuted and why, it is believed, appealed to Albanian was by association of what some have termed its 'Trinitarian value': a special relationship between the Prophet Muhammed, Ali and the 'Divine' truth essence (Perendime). Ioan Pelushi, bishop of Korca, believes that is from Gnostic Christian thought (he is a convert from Bektashism). There also seems to be strong Persian Zoroastrian influence on it as well as various other religious influences, as far back as Hundism. This is a reason why most Muslim-Sunnis consider Bektashis to have 'invented', which is a matter of great blasphemy. Bektashis both used music in ritual alongside alcohol (which are considered to be Haraam). Bektashi joke my dad told me, from south Albania: A Hoxha enters into a Bektashi village leading a donkey and holding a bucket of water on one hand and raki on the other. He gathers the Bektashis together and makes a show: he first presents the raki to the donkey who, upon smelling it, is turned away. He then presents the donkey water; which he drinks. He then turns to the audience of villagers and asks them: Why didn't the donkey drink the raki?'* Upon hearing this one of the Bektashis gets up and yells: Because its a f***ing DONKEY!!!!*Implication being along the lines of the 'natural' argument, which is also very prevalent in Christianity as well: the idea that god made the world and the laws so naturally the laws fit nature.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 22, 2009 21:56:34 GMT -5
Bektashi fresco from the Tekke in Michigan:
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Post by tito on Apr 24, 2009 20:20:52 GMT -5
What does the green flag symbolize?
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Apr 24, 2009 20:40:18 GMT -5
What does the green flag symbolize? The flag includes the green identified with Islam, as well as a sun with 12 rays, representing the 12 Shia imams.
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 24, 2009 20:59:38 GMT -5
Bektashis though are top Albanian nationalists
An interesting fact is that after 11/09/2001 the head of the Bektashis in Tirana was the first religious leader worldwide to send its condolences to the USA
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 25, 2009 2:43:18 GMT -5
What does the green flag symbolize? The flag includes the green identified with Islam, as well as a sun with 12 rays, representing the 12 Shia imams. Yup, thats Zoroastrian influence. The sun, alongside fire, play a huge role in tha religion. The flag of Kurdistan also has a sun on it. Bektashis also celebrate the Nevrooz (or old Persian Nourooz): the New Year holiday of Zoroastrians, celebrated yearly by the Persian emperor.
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