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Post by insomniac on Apr 22, 2009 14:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 22, 2009 22:30:20 GMT -5
wach it all.... Animal FarmIt's a long, but nice movie...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 22, 2009 22:41:17 GMT -5
Yea yea, and today the videos that come out of North Korea are spledid, fully of technological sophistication and orderly people. I have seen these videos myself. They mimic those shown by Hoxha, in fact my family members watching a documentary on North Korea were laughing hysterically when they were considering the fact that, as is the truth in North Korea and as the truth was in Albania, that was only 1% of the country. What do you think, Hoxha allowed the few foreigners who were capable of having a single peak into Albania to see the reality? To video tape it? No, but it became apparent in 91.
The rest, the dark impoverished and miserable truth, was hidden. The interment camps where thousands were held without trial, without any rights; the suffering of the villagers; their hunger, the terror felt by the people whenever a politburo car would roll up, the corruption of the 'popular leaders', all of which went without saying. An illusionary paradise where people were fulled into believing that they lived in heaven in comparison to the rest of the world and a man who kept control through utter terror and fear.
Nobody could have an opinion, my dad and his friends would gather together to listen secretly to western rock... paranoid that a neighbor might hear and report them.
None of this made the videos, just the thin thin layer of the 'happy' few... 'the chosen' in Tirana. s**t doesnt fly far Insomniac, anyone who worked in the villages will tell you how the people were really treated.
Ardjan Vehbiu wrote an excellent article about the BS of the system, specifically with regards to Tirana University and just how much, or better yet how little, a person was actually allowed to read. His website isnt up anylonger so I cant find the article anymore... but it was a good one.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Apr 22, 2009 22:46:28 GMT -5
Todhri Bej wrote:
That's the reason the movie I posted is a must...extremely allegoric...
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 22, 2009 23:49:35 GMT -5
Ne kohen e Dulles Kishte Shtet ku funksiononte dhe zbatohej ligji. ke inat foli hakun
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Post by ErmirI on Apr 22, 2009 23:54:19 GMT -5
mysia te ka vajtur mendja per bar he
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 22, 2009 23:58:16 GMT -5
Ne kohen a Labour Party une haja franxholla buke mafishe Tirone.
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Post by albquietman on Apr 23, 2009 0:36:18 GMT -5
wach it all.... Animal FarmIt's a long, but nice movie... Nice movie and as you said Teuta, extremely allegoric...whoever have lived in a communist regime or have read about it, it's not hard to understand that the movie is just the story of the communist regime in Russia, Albania or where ever was installed. Sad but true, that's the way it was in Albania...it all starts nice and good in the beginning, but after not too long you find yourself in a dictatorship that takes away even the basic things in life... The only credit that I would give the communist regime in Albania is the building of Albania's infrastructure from the scratch, the electrification, the schools in a short period of time, because as you may know, Albania was a feudal country without anything at all...the movie kind of explains that part in the beginning...but other than that, especially after late 70s, the regime was a total disaster...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 23, 2009 0:46:09 GMT -5
I think Fan Noli had the best possible plan for Albania. He certainly wasnt completely democratic, though he did introduce a democratice constitution, but he would have re-organized Albania in a very progressive Social-Democratic way. The only thing is, as a priest, what would his religious policies have been? I think Hoxha's policies were beneficial for Albania in that regard...
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Post by albquietman on Apr 23, 2009 1:19:10 GMT -5
Fan Noli was the best option at that time in Albania, but he didn't have too many supporters and most of his supporters I don't think they understood him, and there was a good reason for that. Albania was a feudal country and more than 90% of Albania's population at that time lived in small villages. Fan Noli was an utopistic priest, his ideas were great, but not based in the albanian reality, and that's why he failed...unfortunately, because if he had his feet on the ground, Albania would had seen much better days than under Zog's regime...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 23, 2009 1:47:02 GMT -5
Noli wanted land-reforms. Thats what he promised the peasants, particularly from the south, where manorialism dominated (that is, landholders dominating over peasantry). The problem is that he simply did not have the means to put it through since his power was very limited and by promoting it he alienated the rest of the nobility, who held the power.
The one terrible thing that Albanians became acculturated into during the Ottoman Empire was the nasty bribe culture. Albanian Bejs in the north, mostly, were bought out by Ottoman officials so they would stay loyal. Well, when the Empire ended they still wanted their money. They would yearly come down from the mountains, into the plain and demand cash from a particular Pasha, if they didnt get it they wouldnt "protect" him anymore... which means he would be assassinated soon. Zog continued this practice since the beys threatened him if he did otherwise but in order to do so he put the country into debt by borrowing from the Italians...
Obviously you can see where the problem was... Noli had no means to solve it either...
To Hoxha's credit, he was finally able to settle the score once and for all with them since he finally attained the means to attack: he exterminated all the bejs.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Apr 23, 2009 10:13:15 GMT -5
Fan Noli was the best option at that time in Albania, but he didn't have too many supporters and most of his supporters Te gjithe ato si Noli dhe te tjere figura qe jane larguar nga shqiperia quhen tradhetare dhe te shiitur tek agjenturat e huaja.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 30, 2009 0:17:30 GMT -5
From 2001
Praise be to the Communists and to Hoxha!!!
Right.....
What this guy said at the end was 100%, we are not trying to rebuild the country... it was never created to begin with. Hoxha and co. never allowed it, they paved the very road they destroyed in the 70's and 80's...
Luckily times have changed significantly since this video was first made nearly 10 years ago....
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