CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on May 23, 2009 4:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by bob1389 on May 23, 2009 8:34:36 GMT -5
How does it feel to have a person of Bosnian Muslim origin captain the Croatian national team ?
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Post by superstar on May 23, 2009 11:33:08 GMT -5
Srna's not the captain of the Croatia...
He seems like a patriotic Croatian though... Wearing the flag at the trophy ceremony, I don't think anyone would have a problem with him being captain.
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Post by MiG on May 26, 2009 13:09:21 GMT -5
Yeah no problem whatsoever.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on May 26, 2009 13:11:30 GMT -5
how the hell is he a muslim?
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Post by tyson on May 26, 2009 15:13:03 GMT -5
^^ his father is a muslim from zenica i think, but his mother is a local from metkovic. srna was born and grew up in metkovic, with his mother. the parents split up after some time. i have heard some croatian media claiming he is muslim, but i'm not sure if he has spoke on his religious confession. if he is muslim, who cares. there's been full muslim players who have played for croatia before, but never amounted to any real talent, so they never started any games. we have two youngsters from rijeka, brothers ahmad & anas sharbini, who seem to be real promising talent. they play for croatia's under21's. their mother is a local from rijeka, and their father is a syrian, who came as a university student during yugoslavia.
no one has a problem with srna being captain.
if one full muslim player who is a really good player comes and plays for croatia, and wins croatia games, no one will care what religion he is, because he is playing in the croatia jersey. if anything they will respect him even more that he chose to play for croatia rather than bosnia.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on May 26, 2009 16:47:43 GMT -5
^^ his father is a muslim from zenica i think, but his mother is a local from metkovic. srna was born and grew up in metkovic, with his mother. the parents split up after some time. i have heard some croatian media claiming he is muslim, but i'm not sure if he has spoke on his religious confession. if he is muslim, who cares. there's been full muslim players who have played for croatia before, but never amounted to any real talent, so they never started any games. we have two youngsters from rijeka, brothers ahmad & anas sharbini, who seem to be real promising talent. they play for croatia's under21's. their mother is a local from rijeka, and their father is a syrian, who came as a university student during yugoslavia. no one has a problem with srna being captain. if one full muslim player who is a really good player comes and plays for croatia, and wins croatia games, no one will care what religion he is, because he is playing in the croatia jersey. if anything they will respect him even more that he chose to play for croatia rather than bosnia. I have no problem with him being muslim or not.. Just find it strange because hes name dont sound muslimy to me.
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Post by bob1389 on May 26, 2009 18:54:52 GMT -5
It was in the news before the UEFA Cup final, the most interesting part was when he first started playing for Hajduk Split, because he wasn't a Croat they made his father PAY to play for the team. Eventually he turned out a class player and they started paying him.
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Post by bob1389 on May 26, 2009 18:56:25 GMT -5
When Darijo Srna left Croatia for Shakhtar Donetsk, he bought his father, Uzeir, a Mercedes. Two years later, as the midfielder's career in Ukraine progressed, he gave him a BMW.
"I know it is impossible to repay my father for everything he has done for me," he said, "but I have bought him the cars and I give him enough money to live a normal life now he is old, and that is the least I can do." The story of what Uzeir Srna went through before Darijo came into the world is, it turns out, anything but normal.
Uzeir was born in Gornji Stopici in eastern Bosnia a year before the start of the Second World War.
As the Germans advanced and were halted by Serb resistance, the front line washed back and forth over the village, forcing the Srna family to flee. By the summer of 1941, they mistakenly thought it was safe to return home.
One night the Chetniks, the Serb nationalist paramilitaries, waging their own war within a war, entered the village and set fire to every house. Uzeir's father and his teenage brother, Safet, fled into the forest, carrying three-year-old Uzeir with them.
"My mother was pregnant," said Uzeir. "And she and my sister were burned alive."
They followed the trail of refugees to Bosanski Samac on Bosnia's northern border, but in the confusion Uzeir became separated from his father and brother. He eventually ended up in Slovenia where he was adopted by a local police officer.
Back in Bosanski Samac, Uzeir's father found a job in a café, only to be killed by a stray bullet as he was caught in crossfire.
In despair, Safet joined the army, but he didn't give up hope, and everywhere he went, he asked about his brother. A couple of years later, Safet's commanding officer, a Slovenian, told him about a Bosnian orphan who had been taken in by a family in Murska Sobota.
As soon as he could, Safet headed north; incredibly, the orphan was indeed his brother. They returned to Bosanski Samac, where Uzeir, after leaving school, found work in a bakery. But as soon as he received his first pay packet, he bought a train ticket to Sarajevo, where he had relatives.
It was there that his talent as a goalkeeper first became apparent, and he began playing for FK Sarajevo. Later he joined Celik, then a sizeable club in Bosnia, but was only ever a reserve.
In a practice match at Metkovic in southern Croatia, though, the opposing keeper was injured and he was asked to replace him. When Celik returned to Bosnia, Uzeir stayed behind. And so it was, after a failed marriage and a short spell in France, that Uzeir, by then remarried to his present wife, Milka, set up home in Metkovic, where Darijo was born. And that is why he is playing for Croatia at Euro 2008.
"Even though he was really small, you could see he was a great talent," Uzeir said. So great that Hajduk Split expressed an interest. That, though, wasn't the end of their troubles, for with the war still going on, there were many in Split who didn't want to see a Muslim signing for the club.
"It was a difficult time," said Uzeir, "and your name was so important then. But the worst thing was that some coaches openly asked me to pay if I wanted Darijo to play there. Fortunately Darijo was so talented that when the youth-team managers saw him, they decided he had to stay." It's just as well for the Srnas had no money.
That is not a problem any more.
Uzeir and Milka still live in their old apartment in Metkovic, but not only are there two luxury cars in the garage, there is also an artificial football pitch nearby for the local youngsters to play on.
"My father and my family mean everything to me," said Darijo. "I can't forget how they suffered as they tried to find money for me during my days at Hajduk. My father had a really, really difficult life and I am very proud that he can now live a peaceful life."
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Post by tyson on May 27, 2009 3:26:09 GMT -5
^^ well thats not an issue now. only when the war was on, and possibly up to 5 years after the war. there is no problem with having muslims play for croatian clubs now. same for the national team. ------------------------------------ www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2009/05/19/1273605/ac-milan-interested-in-shakhtar-donetsks-darijo-srnaAC Milan Interested In Shakhtar Donetsk's Darijo SrnaThe former Hadjuk Split player could be on his way to Serie A this summer... 19-May-2009 2:32:18 AM AC Milan are looking to reinforce their squad this summer and have targeted wing-back Darijo Srna, according to tuttomercatoweb. The Croatian, who has been instrumental in Shakhtar Donetsk's run to the UEFA Cup final, is schedule to have a meeting with the club following the match against Werder Bremen in Istanbul to discuss his future. The 27-year-old's versatility allows him to play in defence or midfield and he is well known for his dangerous set-pieces. He has made 52 appearances for his country, scoring 15 goals and has taken part in the Euro 2004, World Cup 2006, and Euro 2008 tournaments. Reports from the German press indicate he is also of interest to Bavarian side Bayern Munich, who look set to make a number of changes following an inconsistent season in the Bundesliga. . Adam Scime, Goal.com
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Post by zgembo on May 27, 2009 7:54:39 GMT -5
Apparently Srna's family were Muslim Ustashe. Fitting that they would treat him as a lower class when he wanted to play for Hajduk.
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Post by fazlinho on May 27, 2009 15:55:06 GMT -5
Apparently Srna's family were Muslim Ustashe. Fitting that they would treat him as a lower class when he wanted to play for Hajduk. Ti izgleda svugdje vidis ustae, odakle ti to da su ustase bili?
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Post by tyson on May 27, 2009 16:09:31 GMT -5
Apparently Srna's family were Muslim Ustashe. Fitting that they would treat him as a lower class when he wanted to play for Hajduk. dude, supposedly most muslims from BiH had grandparents that were ustase or ss handzar, so whats the point of saying that? most muslims of BiH would like to forget this ever happened, so there's no special bond between us in that aspect. maybe back in world war 2, there was some feeling of croat patriotism among the muslims, but that died very quickly after the partisans won the war, and all the muslims defected from the losing side to the winning side (the partisans). after a couple decades of communism rule, tito declared the muslims a separate ethnic group, which the muslims embraced. the muslims became die-hard tito fans. now they all talk about how wonderful it was in yugoslavia under tito. now with the war in bih during the 90's where croats and muslims were fighting each other, do you really think croats would be thinking about how their (the muslims) grandparents were ustase once upon a time? no, ofcourse not, it was wartime, and both sides were hostile towards each other. but with that being said, its still pretty silly of them for doing that to srna, but nothing we have done bad to the muslims compare with what your peoples (the serbs) have done to them ie. srebrenica massacre . so you can stop the croat bashing now. we are not perfect, but you serbs are miles from perfect.
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Post by superstar on May 28, 2009 0:06:57 GMT -5
Coaches asking players "pay to play" is something that happened to full blooded Croats also. It's not a big secret the corruption in Croatian football. I wouldn't doubt it still goes on today.
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Post by fazlinho on May 28, 2009 3:46:26 GMT -5
Apparently Srna's family were Muslim Ustashe. Fitting that they would treat him as a lower class when he wanted to play for Hajduk. dude, supposedly most muslims from BiH had grandparents that were ustase or ss handzar, so whats the point of saying that? most muslims of BiH would like to forget this ever happened, so there's no special bond between us in that aspect. maybe back in world war 2, there was some feeling of croat patriotism among the muslims, but that died very quickly after the partisans won the war, and all the muslims defected from the losing side to the winning side (the partisans). after a couple decades of communism rule, tito declared the muslims a separate ethnic group, which the muslims embraced. the muslims became die-hard tito fans. now they all talk about how wonderful it was in yugoslavia under tito. now with the war in bih during the 90's where croats and muslims were fighting each other, do you really think croats would be thinking about how their (the muslims) grandparents were ustase once upon a time? no, ofcourse not, it was wartime, and both sides were hostile towards each other. but with that being said, its still pretty silly of them for doing that to srna, but nothing we have done bad to the muslims compare with what your peoples (the serbs) have done to them ie. srebrenica massacre . so you can stop the croat bashing now. we are not perfect, but you serbs are miles from perfect. LMAO gotta love Crologic, it's almost as fun as Serblogic.
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Post by MiG on May 28, 2009 12:39:07 GMT -5
I don't understand how this turned into a hate-oriented thread. How does it feel to have a person of Bosnian Muslim origin captain the Croatian national team ? But this is my first clue. The very first post in the thread (After the main one of course) is caused to provoke. If this doesn't straighten out, I'll have to edit half this thread, and delete the other half. If its a story of struggle of his father that you want to highlight, then create another thread. Either way, congrats to Darijo Srna. Indeed a fine player he is.
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Post by Trazi Vise on May 28, 2009 13:12:02 GMT -5
I was thinking same...well...just delete the whole thread :-)
Don't see the big deal what this dude is, he wants to play for Croatia and was given the chance...so let him friggen play...when you play who don't care who you are, where you are or who you are playing against.The main thing is to play your best and to win. Simple...who cares what he is. He is from pizde materina like all of us...! Don't mean any offence! :-)
This isn't Cro logic, it's his opinion and it's pretty much spot on 100%.
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Post by fazlinho on May 28, 2009 13:39:43 GMT -5
You, a croat agreeing with him pretty much confirms my thesis lol
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Post by Trazi Vise on May 28, 2009 13:45:37 GMT -5
I have a better logic that to think the way Bosnians do "oh plenty of people think like I do, so I must be correct...I have people power on my side..."...even thought you are incorrect...You not meaning you, YOU meaning the majority...anyho, I actually don't agree with tyson alot here...but he is right, you just can't accept that yours and many other muslim grandfathers were Ustase. You can deny all you like. It's OUR history, and history needs to be acknowledged; good or bad.
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Post by fazlinho on May 28, 2009 13:53:47 GMT -5
lol miss Iknowitall, I was just laughing at the amount, saying that most were in ustashe and so on. That some muslims were in the ustashas is a known historical fact, that they were a minority is also another. I fully acknowledge it (btw I don't consider Handzars being ustashas, given that the unit was formed by Germans, Pavelic was against it and had a whole different purpouse and role in the war and had no political activness as other ustashas)
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