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Post by zgembo on May 24, 2009 11:13:44 GMT -5
You should think carefully why Serbs in Beograd are begging and licking Dino's balls so he can come Does it make you feel better to exaggerate things so ridiculously? They have begged Dino to come to Belgrade as much as they begged Brena to come to Sarajevo. You get a local promoter asking the singer to come in exchange for money. The promoter estimates enough people will come to the concert so he can make money too. It is a business arrangement between promoter and singer, nothing else, and the only people who directly ask the singer to come are promoters. But if you want it to tell you something, all it really says is that Serbs separate politics from music, while Muslims don't. Merlin wrote war songs, became super religious and made numerous anti-Serb statements. Brena on the other hand never made a controversial statement, never wrote anything resembling a war song, declared herself as a Yugoslav throughout and look at the comments people are making. They want her to make certain statements (like who committed genocide, who was the aggressor, before granting her the right to sing). It's like coming to sing in Sarajevo is some prestigious right that has to be earned. Funny thing is, they are digging up all this war material now. Realistically, you can blacken everyone's reputation like this. The war affected everyone in some way. Politicians or war profiteers would pay Grand Zvezde to go sing in war areas and boost morale. The locals would ask to have their picture taken, organizers would ask people to put on Serbian army hats. A video gets made because the production company thought a military motif was appropriate (what other army was she supposed to wear, she lived in Belgrade, in SR Yugoslavia?). It just shows, you don't have to make a single negative comment and your views can be clear as day, but people will dig up something and interpret something you did negatively just to have a reason to hate you. These Muslims in Sarajevo want to hate a folk star that lives in Serbia, they want to hate someone who represented Yugoslavia, and they will find a reason to do so.
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Post by Trazi Vise on May 24, 2009 11:17:27 GMT -5
Well after he called me a beauty (not in a sleazy way at all! i have met many singers from back home and he's is the most non sleazy, gracious and talkative out of all of them), we were sidtracked by the trams we have in our city just like in Europe. At the same time he's making funny faces at the kids in the car infront who were boso (im sure he's a great dad too!) ...anyways...then I'm like " a ti si sandzaklija" (i know he was born in sarajevo)..he's like "ma ne ja sam iz sarajeva..." and im like I know but your heritage and he's like yeah from novi pazar...so yada yada later; he didn't want to say yes or no if he'd go there but yes you are right he is the kind of person to keep his word.
But zgembo is right it's about the promoter in whatever country to ask and negotiate a price and that's why so many don't go o/s because the promoters can't get their acto together or everyone is too greedy. It's also up to the musician as to whether they want to play somewher or not. I understand why Merlin wouldn't want to play in Belgrade for his reasons, but I don't know why he would then change his mind! So anyway I thanked the promoter for bringing him over , so my friend could play with the other band and in turn I got to meet the majstor!
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 11:32:37 GMT -5
I understand the process. But I think its telling you need to write an essay to convey your point.
I think it's pretty simple. Most Bosniaks don't mind to sing in Serbia because most there could care less about the situation in BIH. Which makes RS Serbs very jealous.
I think it might be a bit different if Merlin went to Banja Luka.
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Post by radovic on May 24, 2009 12:03:29 GMT -5
lol why would they bojkot her concert? Because she's a Muslim and she got caught in a picture in a VRS uniform during the war. She denied it, later it was revealed to be the truth.Basically in 96 she made a video in a VRS uniform. 13 years later some Croatian media says: "In 93/94 during the war she sang to Serb soldiers in Brcko." She denies it. And claims that she only went to Brcko to visit her sick father. Anyways. A few weeks ago Bosnian and Croat release a still from the video claiming it was taken during the war. They also claim it's somekind of never before seen photograph <-- never mind the fact that it appeared on the TV Revija cover in Serbia in 1997. Eventually an actual photo is found of her in a VRS uniform and a video from 1994 in which she wears a VRS uniform.
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Post by fazlinho on May 24, 2009 12:51:20 GMT -5
You should think carefully why Serbs in Beograd are begging and licking Dino's balls so he can come Does it make you feel better to exaggerate things so ridiculously? They have begged Dino to come to Belgrade as much as they begged Brena to come to Sarajevo. You get a local promoter asking the singer to come in exchange for money. The promoter estimates enough people will come to the concert so he can make money too. It is a business arrangement between promoter and singer, nothing else, and the only people who directly ask the singer to come are promoters. But if you want it to tell you something, all it really says is that Serbs separate politics from music, while Muslims don't. Merlin wrote war songs, became super religious and made numerous anti-Serb statements. Brena on the other hand never made a controversial statement, never wrote anything resembling a war song, declared herself as a Yugoslav throughout and look at the comments people are making. They want her to make certain statements (like who committed genocide, who was the aggressor, before granting her the right to sing). It's like coming to sing in Sarajevo is some prestigious right that has to be earned. Funny thing is, they are digging up all this war material now. Realistically, you can blacken everyone's reputation like this. The war affected everyone in some way. Politicians or war profiteers would pay Grand Zvezde to go sing in war areas and boost morale. The locals would ask to have their picture taken, organizers would ask people to put on Serbian army hats. A video gets made because the production company thought a military motif was appropriate (what other army was she supposed to wear, she lived in Belgrade, in SR Yugoslavia?). It just shows, you don't have to make a single negative comment and your views can be clear as day, but people will dig up something and interpret something you did negatively just to have a reason to hate you. These Muslims in Sarajevo want to hate a folk star that lives in Serbia, they want to hate someone who represented Yugoslavia, and they will find a reason to do so. The difference is that Belgrade doesn't even know how it feels like to be in a war while Sarajevo was for 3 years so people there have a right to be pissed at ANYONE who has even be seen wearing a VRS uniform. Oh and I'm waiting for the first who'll make a comparison with a destroyed tv station and a bridge to have a laugh.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on May 24, 2009 13:03:29 GMT -5
The difference is that Belgrade doesn't even know how it feels like to be in a war while Sarajevo was for 3 years so people there have a right to be pissed at ANYONE who has even be seen wearing a VRS uniform. Oh and I'm waiting for the first who'll make a comparison with a destroyed tv station and a bridge to have a laugh. Prvo ni jedan most u Beogradu nije porusen. Drugo nije samo samo RTS (TV kuca) gadjana.
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 13:35:55 GMT -5
Huh?
Without making the connection that it was Serbs attacking Sarajevo, as opposed to Americans bombing Serbia..this discussion has no relevancy.
The point is, Sarajevo, where the concert is being held has a direct connection and reason to be angry.
As I said, people in Serbia have nothing to be mad about in regards to Bosniaks..and that is why they welcome our singers and the rest with open arms.
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Post by Trazi Vise on May 24, 2009 13:43:05 GMT -5
But what I don't get...is that Serbian singers are welcome in Bosna are they not? Was chatting to an aqauintance the other day let's call her A. (she was a muslim lady, widow from the war in Bosna; came here after and remarried a stupid Croat named M) and she's like oh yes it's fantastic in Bosna, go out to the kafanas and venues, the Serb singers there are great etc etc. Mind you when she was 22 the Serbs killed her husband and she and her young child at the time were in a camp, probably being raped by these monsters....
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 13:54:40 GMT -5
But what I don't get...is that Serbian singers are welcome in Bosna are they not? Was chatting to an aqauintance the other day let's call her A. (she was a muslim lady, widow from the war in Bosna; came here after and remarried a stupid Croat named M) and she's like oh yes it's fantastic in Bosna, go out to the kafanas and venues, the Serb singers there are great etc etc. Mind you when she was 22 the Serbs killed her husband and she and her young child at the time were in a camp, probably being raped by these monsters.... Guys like Zeljko Joksimovic are always welcomed with open arms. So I think we accept Serb singers. I think its always a case-by-case basis.
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Post by Trazi Vise on May 24, 2009 14:05:31 GMT -5
It's seems that way.
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 14:14:47 GMT -5
But about the rest of the stuff that you said illyria.
We Bosniaks are asking for a multi-cultural country. It would be totally hypocritical to say "that bitch married a Croat guy" or "she doesnt' seem sad enough about what happened to her".
People have to move on.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on May 24, 2009 15:24:01 GMT -5
As I said, people in Serbia have nothing to be mad about in regards to Bosniaks..and that is why they welcome our singers and the rest with open arms. Niko u Srbiji nema rodjake koji su ubijeni u Bosni od strane Bosnjaka?
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on May 24, 2009 15:29:48 GMT -5
btw BOB, You should think carefully why Serbs in Beograd are begging and licking Dino's balls so he can come.. Jaka mi je Dino faca. Eno seku vene za njim u Beogradu.
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 15:47:17 GMT -5
As I said, people in Serbia have nothing to be mad about in regards to Bosniaks..and that is why they welcome our singers and the rest with open arms. Niko u Srbiji nema rodjake koji su ubijeni u Bosni od strane Bosnjaka? Minority. Just like there is a minority who had the dream of a greater serbia out of Serbia itself. That's because many from Serbia were not directly involved in the war. In RS, 80% of the population has very extreme views because they were directly involved. This is between Bosnian muslims and Serbs and Croats. Very little to do with Serbs from Serbia.
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Post by SKORIC on May 24, 2009 15:55:12 GMT -5
Then why didnt Dino Merlin want to do a concert in Serbia?
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 16:07:24 GMT -5
Then why didnt Dino Merlin want to do a concert in Serbia? "Didn't" is the right word. He didn't want to do it with Milosevic and the others who were still around..who DID have a role to play in the BIH conflict. But today many Bosniaks would rather go to perform in Serbia than in RS.
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Post by SKORIC on May 24, 2009 16:30:36 GMT -5
oh i thought by awhile ago you ment within the last 10 years lol
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on May 24, 2009 16:44:52 GMT -5
Silly bosniaks.. Its just bullshit what some of you say that Boslims dont want some Serbians to preform in Federacija. Sjecam se bosnjake u svedskoj kad su protestirali protiv cecinog koncerta lol, a 50% bosnjaka islo gledati bas taj koncert Dabog da vam cevap nesto u Sarajevu
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on May 24, 2009 16:49:27 GMT -5
I understand the process. But I think its telling you need to write an essay to convey your point. I think it's pretty simple. Most Bosniaks don't mind to sing in Serbia because most there could care less about the situation in BIH. Which makes RS Serbs very jealous. I think it might be a bit different if Merlin went to Banja Luka. Ne razumijem sto bi mi bili ljubomorni.. Meni je sasvim normalno da bosnjaci pjevaju u Srbiji, tako i Srbijanci u Bosni. Izgleda vama nije. Mozda je rat samo bio u Sarajevu :S Evo ja mogu reci da slusam Dinu Merlina, i boli me kurac sta je pjevo tokom rata. Slusam ga zato sto mi se svidjaju njegove pjesme, a jel on glasa za SDA ili neku drugu stranku, jel voli Aliju itd itd mene ne zanima.
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Post by manijak on May 24, 2009 17:04:41 GMT -5
dario, nemoj me nervirati.
If you want to say that you are good at 'separating' things..do you mean that you can go listen to the legenda Dino (thats what you call him at the night of the concert) and then go home and go on forums and call people balije, boslims, and plan for 'Greater Serbia'.
No doubt, you RS Serbs are very good at separating things like that. I agree.
But other, normal people, are not like that.
You are from RS..and people from RS like to make that argument..that they can 'separate" things..because ultimately they want to have an excuse why Serbs from Serbia are begging Dino to come there, and have no problems..while if he came to Banja Luka he would probably get shot. That is where the jealousy is. You want to make an argument that you can separate things to make it seem normal when he goes to Beograd. Yet, he will maybe never come to Banja Luka.
If you guys could actually separate things..and you weren't being hypocritical..BIH as a country would be in a lot better place right now.
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