|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 30, 2008 19:59:46 GMT -5
"You dissapoint me Novi that you are this biased...." No its not biased, its absolute truth.....look around you. "Please denounce, I'd rather you not have any ethnic relationship with me..." If l find more people like you, l will.....l still have my doubts about you being an ethnic Montenegrin, really, really serious about it. "Ignoring the numerous amount of spelling mistakes, you are still an idiot..." Exactly the same message as tripwires? ? "Present day greeks cannot take credit for what the ancient greeks accomplished, considering that today's greeks are more or less part turkish, and several 100 years ago called themselves "Romanoi" not Hellens There is much evidence to suggest that today's greeks are nothing more than Romans who speak the Greek language. Not saying that todays greeks are not greek, but their history within the past 1000 years in reality is not as honorable and legendary compared to the Montenegrins." Seriously readers, who is the idiot!!!!!........again, Montenegrins ARE nothing to Greeks.
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 30, 2008 23:49:45 GMT -5
I also have serious doubts he is Montenegrin.
He displays open hate for anything Serb (including towards Montenegrin Serbs) and according to this kid Njegos and co were clueless about declared proud Serbdom about Montenegrin state over many centuries.
Here he tries his best to annoy Greeks (our Serb brothers) and get them against Montenegrins (as he is also trying to get Serbs against 'Montenegrins').
I also dislike anyone who speaks their own opinion as if it is an official opinion of a state they might or might not hail from (the language he speaks is that of an immigrant's child and thus undefinable). Especially when such opinion (about Greeks lets say) is not shared by one Montenegrin I ever encountered (if they are Serbs they love Greeks otherwise worse case scenario are indifferent - certainly there is no hate towards them nor is there anyone downplaying them (as if anyone of the likes of him ever could).
There is a similarity here with some of the Bulgarophone "Macedonians" (1. people whom serbian anthropologist Cvijic in 19 century called as simply slavs as they referred to themselves; 2) people living in what was in ancient times Hellenistic Peonia and not Macedonia) who feel they have exclusive rights to the Macedonian ancient heritage and name (which no doubt was Hellenic to the core perhaps more then any other). Members of the so called "Montenegrin" nationality are also creation of Tito's dictate in 1945 and yet they feel they have also exclusive rights to the Montenegrin historical heritage even though every single Montenegrin ruler was a declared (Montenegrin) Serb and viewed Montenegro as a Serb state.
Revisionism usually occurs in segments of nations that historically occurred as such "over night". The size of the nation is not what is of the essence but the duration of time it took for their creation and the quantity of time that has elapsed since. It has been seen among some in new Albanian identity (created as such in late 19c early 20c) with many crackpot theories like Pelazgians (huge historical unknown do to lack of historical records) etc. It has been seen by some in new Turkish nation created by Attaturk (some extremist claim Iranophone Shythians and even Sumerians while calling local Greek heritage in Anatolia as Roman). It has been seen among certain American Blacks (heritage barely several centuries old) where the claims are lay on Egyptians, Sumerians and even ancient Greeks (through supposed racial links). In fact it appears the newer the nation the larger the necessity to seek some historical justification for its very existence by aligning it to some ancient link. Older nations are fine with their own heritage and barely claim that of someone else. In fact it appears the older the nation the less likely the chances of such occurrence. Maturity of an adult versus imagination of a child almost comes to mind.
|
|
|
Post by terroreign on Jan 31, 2008 1:39:35 GMT -5
Aadmin, now you show your true self, with ideas that a 'true serb' should kiss up to the greeks, or that a Montenegrin cannot say anything bad against serbs.
These sort of ideas are ridiculous, I am not against people or ethnicities, I am against certain ideas though, and the people who support them. Such as Aadmin who feeds everyone his bull*hit that he consumes from Njegos.org and Rastko.org, sites whos creators at one time supported the elimination of all muslims in the balkans, and believed that croats were catholic serbs...
Aadmin not one Montenegrin ruler mentions serbs before the Petrovici, and the Petrovici used the term 'serb' in conjuntion with 'orthodox'. The evidence proving this comes from many unbiased reputable sources from before the 1900's, I would quote here but I feel I'd be wasting my time, chauvinism and ignorance is something that takes a long time to get past.
Revionism occurs in majority within empires and larger countries, such as the Turkish empire, who kept a secret of their Genocide of the Armenians, revisionism occurs when atrocities are commited by certain nations and they do not want to take the blame for it, also happening in the 1919 christmas uprising in Montenegro, when serbian troops forcifully annexed the country and set up their own assembly, bribed in order to agree to a union, much evidence proving this, but Serbia hid this and made it all look like it was a voluntary union.
Serbs from Montenegro are a minority in the country and they are a creation of the serbian occupation in 1919.
Have you been to Njegusi? Home of the petrovici dynasty? 100% of them are ethnic Montenegrins like me.
Have you talked to King Nikola's descendent? He agrees that his ethnicity is Montenegrin.
That's enough schooling for now.
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 31, 2008 21:31:28 GMT -5
" also have serious doubts he is Montenegrin.
He displays open hate for anything Serb (including towards Montenegrin Serbs) and according to this kid Njegos and co were clueless about declared proud Serbdom about Montenegrin state over many centuries.
Here he tries his best to annoy Greeks (our Serb brothers) and get them against Montenegrins (as he is also trying to get Serbs against 'Montenegrins')."
Absoultely correct aadmin. Terro has his opinions, that is fine. I do allow his opinions to be voiced, but its something that l'm extremely fearful from, if his honestly a montenegrin, then his one of a kind, l suppose every nation has its left over waste, even then with Terro, l'm highly suspicious.
|
|
|
Post by terroreign on Feb 1, 2008 0:41:33 GMT -5
"left over waste" huh novi? Very mature of you to stoop to the level of arbitrary name calling...but I suppose someone with your level of intelligence would have no other option..
Now go take a walk and pull yourself together sunshine
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Feb 1, 2008 2:59:18 GMT -5
^ According to the forums rules, opinions are just that if one makes a statement as fact one should back them up.
We have proved you're not what you claim where as you just scribble away nonsense. Not a good deal for you.
|
|
|
Post by Arxileas on Feb 1, 2008 3:04:10 GMT -5
A reminder this isn't a communist board with a law.
FYROM law. Article 179 "The one who with intent to mock shall publicly expose to ridicule the Macedonian people and the nationalities, shall be punished with prison from three months to three years."
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 1, 2008 18:38:33 GMT -5
"left over waste" huh novi? Very mature of you to stoop to the level of arbitrary name calling...but I suppose someone with your level of intelligence would have no other option..
"Now go take a walk and pull yourself together sunshine"
Terro, show me your steve hawkings illyrian map and tell me again who's stooping to who's level?. Terro, the illyrian gene is at its lowest in Albanian, highest in Bosnia and Croatia. Your not fooling me or anyone else because your just following the historical ethnic albania map.
Why would people want to listen to you about your theories of montenegro and vardar?.....l don't!.
Aadmin was 100% correct what he had said above, again your not fooling anyone....give your stupid game up.
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 1, 2008 18:47:37 GMT -5
"It better be fine, Novi. Terroreign has opinions just like everyone else that posts on this forum. He is no different than you or me. But for you, you are partial to his opinions and can not let it go and be impartial about it. You want to get fluffy about the opinions of others, and take offense, then you do not need to hold the title you bear."
Your absoulety correct, he is no different than you or me. As a moderator, l do have rights to express my opinions and DEBATE opinions that l don't agree with, however, l do not have the right to MANIPULATE or DELETE legal posts that fall within the guidelines of this forum.
|
|
|
Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 2, 2008 0:01:36 GMT -5
It appears that our little friend TR is actually "Macedonian". He speaks their bulgarian accent fluently (as seen in Bulgarian Forum) while he can not speak "Montenegrin" fluently whatsoever (in fact he shows bulgarian language tendencies when speaking the language in multiple ways). Explains why he is so touchy in this topic and against Greeks and also against Bulgarians in Bulgarian forum on "Macedonian" topic. I wrote more on that in bellow topic (In Serbian) illyria.proboards19.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=crnagoramontenegro&thread=1201810807
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 2, 2008 0:51:49 GMT -5
^ l think your onto something because awhile ago when l was in the Bg forum l said something in Vardar/Bulgarian lanuage and terro was able to understand what l had said.
|
|
|
Post by terroreign on Feb 2, 2008 4:01:35 GMT -5
Haha on misli da e vo pravo ama ne zna sto e vistinski, ej kakav mangup. makedonski e grubo lesno jazik da zboruvat, ako znas drugi slovenski jazik....
|
|
|
Post by Sh1 Shonić on Feb 2, 2008 9:31:11 GMT -5
Haha on misli da e vo pravo ama ne zna sto e vistinski, ej kakav mangup. makedonski e grubo lesno jazik da zboruvat, ako znas drugi slovenski jazik.... It looks like it is more vice versa. Based on your knowlede of Makedonian/FYROM language you "speak" other Slav language. It is obvious that you speak/write makedonian/FYROM language better than your "mother thongue". Please explain how come? Izgleda da je obrnuto. Ti na osnovu Makedonskog jezika znas drugi slovenski jezik. Ocito je da bolje pricas/pises makedonski nego "maternji". Objasni kako to?
|
|
|
Post by areianos on Feb 2, 2008 15:52:32 GMT -5
How about ConfusedSouthCommie?
|
|
Demonel
Amicus
I am Jack's regained insanity.
Posts: 833
|
Post by Demonel on Feb 2, 2008 17:52:59 GMT -5
Novi how can Tvrtko I be a Serb since his mother is a Serb, but GreekSlav can't have his mother's ethnicity?
|
|
|
Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 2, 2008 19:20:33 GMT -5
I honestly don't know much about Bosnia, l think its a mixed area like vardar, my interest is more directed toward the politics and history of southern serbia and vardar (another highly mixed area).
I thought Tvrtko Kotromanic was crowned as 'the King of serbs, bosnia, the seacoast and western parts" on the grave of St. Sava in the Mileseva.
What was his father?
|
|
Demonel
Amicus
I am Jack's regained insanity.
Posts: 833
|
Post by Demonel on Feb 2, 2008 19:52:59 GMT -5
His father was like him, he had a Serb mother and his father was a Bosnjanin.
Not really, it says "Serbljem", which actually has a geographic meaning, another king was crowned as "... kralj Serbljem, Hrvatem..." this is because they didn't rule specific parts of Serbia and Croatia that had a name (if they named all those individual regions the title would be huge), also Tvrtko wanted to claim the crown of Serbian Empire (hence the Serbljem and the Mileseva Monastery crowning) likewise the other one wanted to claim the crown of Croatian Kingdom, but since Austro-Hungarian Empire already possessed that claim (and they wouldn’t give it up that easily) he scratched the Hrvatem from his title.
|
|
|
Post by Sh1 Shonić on Feb 2, 2008 20:21:47 GMT -5
Not really, it says "Serbljem",which actually has a geographic meaning Koliko si siguran? Koliko dobro pricas/razumes Slavenoserbski? Da li si citao/cuo pesmu Vostani Serbije?
|
|
ioan
Amicus
Posts: 4,162
|
Post by ioan on Feb 3, 2008 1:11:10 GMT -5
l think its a mixed area like vardar Yes, albanians in the west and Bulgarians in the whole of Macaronia. Very mixed!
|
|
|
Post by areianos on Feb 3, 2008 1:21:36 GMT -5
I agree with Ioan here.
Fyromians grand parents wre known as Komitadji.
A uniformed army that was showered with gifts by Russia to spread her pan-slavism and in turn pillaged, raped & murdered, the villagers of Macedonia that had a Hellenic conscience. They tried to eradicate every inch of hellenic consciences in the area and this was well reported by all foreigtn consuls in Macedonia between 1903 to 1908. It was a uniformed pan-slav army versus a bunch of unarmed villagers.
That's why we call them BULGARIAN. Because it's what they are.
|
|