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Post by terroreign on Feb 11, 2008 1:09:43 GMT -5
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Post by grksdied4you on Feb 14, 2008 0:36:54 GMT -5
Oh hear we go again with the communists. THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAITORS.
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Post by grksdied4you on Feb 14, 2008 0:37:45 GMT -5
One day the people of Fyrom will claim that they are Greek too. TERASSHOLE.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 14, 2008 1:59:49 GMT -5
Why not they'll love us and never turn back to regret it !
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 18, 2008 0:41:12 GMT -5
It will never be accepted!.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 18, 2008 12:45:29 GMT -5
Lets put it this way.
'R.M.' wants to enter EU where the media restrictions that any given state can impose become severely limited and it is already greatly impacted by greek businesses.
It is a country that insists that they are Macedonians (which is full blown Hellenic heritage) and they are alluding they want to be re-Hellenized (whether they are aware of it or not but that will be the end result) as they are really claiming they are Hellenes (many are slavophones from Aegean Macedonia, in fact like 1/2 of them, and these are anthropologically and culturally speaking Macedonian Greeks only turned slavophone so the assumption by accident turns correct).
I say it is 80% chance that this population will have full blown Hellenic ident within 50 years.
PS: Never and Balkans goes hand in hand. Macedonians are a new ident that was unimaginable 100 years ago and same goes for Montenegrins (the first were viewed as proud Bulgars and second as proudest, purest and best of Serbs). If such indents without history can appear then certainly something based on science and history can easily be 'directed' to appear or reappear in this case.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 19, 2008 3:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 19, 2008 12:13:00 GMT -5
Frequently asked questions about identity of Montenegro and Montenegrins
[Note: For the Serbs and other South Slavs nationality is the synonym of ethnicity]
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Where is Montenegro?
"... Montenegro, the tiny Serb land [is] nestled in the southwestern corner of present-day Yugoslavia"
Professor John D. Treadway, University of Richmond; The Falcon and the Eagle, Montenegro and Austria-Hungary 1908-1914, preface, page ix
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Who are Montenegrins?
"Montenegrins regard themselves as high-caste Serbs, the warrior Serbs."
Professor William N. Dunn, University of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public an International Affairs; CNN, Montenegro: Hotspot in the making?
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How Montenegrins expressed their identity in independent Montenegrin state before unification with Serbia?
During the existence of theocratic Montenegro, Princedom of Montenegro and Kingdom of Montenegro, absolutely all Montenegrins considered themselves as Serbs nationally and Montenegrins regionally.
"Although there is no other nationality in this land except Serb nationality and no other religion except Eastern Orthodoxy, each foreigner and each person of different faith can live here and enjoy the same freedom and the same domestic right as Montenegrin or Highlander."
The Code of Montenegrin Prince Danilo, established in 1855, paragraph 92.
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What was the guiding national idea in independent Montenegrin state?
"In Montenegro live only true and pure Serbs who speak Serbian language... Besides Montenegro there are more Serb lands in which our Serb brothers are living... Some of them are free as we are and some subjugated to foreigner... Each Serb in Montenegro is obligated to love his entire Fatherland, all Serb lands - in which our free and unfree Serb brothers are living. "
Geography textbook for 3rd grade of elementary school in the Kingdom of Montenegro, 1911
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How Montenegrins expressed their identity after unification with Serbia and between two world wars?
"Serbs of Montenegro are same in blood, language and aspiration, faith and heritage as people from Serbia and other Serb lands; We have common past which fills us up with enthusiasm, common ideals, heroes, sorrow and everything else that makes one nation really meaningful."
Act of Union of the Great People's Parliament of Serb Nation in Montenegro, 1918
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Why than we hear about separate "Montenegrin" and "Serb" identities in Montenegro?
After WWII "Montenegrin nation is imposed violently, by the Yugoslav Communist Party leadership... It is unique example in Europe that inhabitants of one province, or republic, practically overnight become members of another, new nation (similar example does not exist). Free manifestation of peoples will was halted by oppressive measures of communist reign."
Dr Slavenko Terzic, Director of Historical Institute of Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Word about Montenegro - Hope of southern Serbdom or "ISM", Ideological roots of Montenegrin nation and Montenegrin separatism, Podgorica 2001.
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Where is the difference between "Montenegrin" and "Serb" identities in Montenegro today?
There are Serbs who are not Montenegrins... but there are no Montenegrins who are not in some sense Serbs.
International Crisis Group; Montenegro's Socialist People's Party: A Loyal Opposition, 28 April 2000
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Can Montenegrins still be considered as the Serbs? "... majority of Montenegrins regard themselves as Serbs. They share with the Serbs from Serbia the same culture, the same religion,... they are ethnically the same people."
Charles Hodson, The Council for European Relations; CNN Insight, 29 December 2000 www.njegosev.narod.ru/faq.htm
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2008 2:34:10 GMT -5
I can show you just as many quotes claiming the opposite, and even more from years before the 1900's. Random Politicans saying that my people are something I am not does not effect my thinking. Do you think I never spoke with my grandfather? And that he never spoke with his father? And so on? Someone had to be lying somewhere?? Please... The serb identity before the 1900's was a religious one, period. After that the serbs tryed to get Montenegrins to make it an ethnic one, with a partial success, since they got the northern half of the country to side with them and be their pawns. "SERBS WIPE OUT ROYALIST PARTY IN MONTENEGRO" www.montenegro.org/pictures/news1919.gif"Under serbian occupation Montenegro today represents the bloodiest slaughter spot in Europe", a returning official observer stated. "Unless England and America interfere not a single royal Montenegrin will be alive. The serbs are killing them wholesale." And slavenko terzic is a POS by the way.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 20, 2008 10:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2008 14:20:22 GMT -5
Where did I mention the greens? By the way they were all ethnic Montenegrins and were the precursors to Dr. Sekula Drljevic's Montenegrin Federalists.
“Nama je Crna Gora najvažnija. Ucinimo sve da je spasimo. Budite Crnogorci i mislite Crnogorski. Spas naroda je iznad svega” - Krsto Zrnov Popovic
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Post by ioan on Feb 20, 2008 15:44:43 GMT -5
After WWII " Montenegrin nation is imposed violently, by the Yugoslav Communist Party leadership... It is unique example in Europe that inhabitants of one province, or republic, practically overnight become members of another, new nation (similar example does not exist). :oActually the VERY SAME EXAMPLE DOES EXSIST and all we know what I m talking about. Add to that that Macaronia was never in the borders of Bulgaria ever (Pirin Macedonians now are the biggest Bulgarian patriots) and that it was in the Serbian kingdome, which tried everything to make them hate us and u have this new strange nation without history.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 20, 2008 20:26:11 GMT -5
Ioan - Don't get so excited, AAdmin missed the fact that unbiased sources note before 100 years ago that the slavs in Montenegro are Montenegrin by ethnicity.
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