Bosniak Fez and hats

[hellboy87]

its my great-great grandfather Gorstak.

the thing is,then,anyone who came from Ottoman land was called a Turk.The Syro-Lebanese immigrants to the Americas were called that when they came there.Anatolian Armenians were called Asiatic Turks.This is because much of the West called the Ottoman Empire,Turkey(land of Turks).

The third Prime Minister of Malaysia,had a Circassian grandmother,but the press say he is part Turkish because his grandma was given to the Sultan of Johor by the Ottoman sultan.See? They say Turkish because of Ottoman descent.

Very hard to say when it comes to mine.My great-great grandfather started a family and died in Medan,Indonesia and then his wife and son(my great-grand dad) moved to Peninsular Malaysia.

And yes,I do know that Muslims in the Balkans and Greece were 'Turks'.



So,as for headgear,it was just those regional variety of turbans,and then the fez.

But do you know why,there was that mixed turban+fez thing? See many of that too!

[tyson]

turbans werent just worn by the muslim bosniaks, but also by catholic croats from parts of western BiH (livno, duvno, kupres, posusje) and the dalmatian hinterland (metkovic, imotski, sinj).
in other words, the lands of the hajduks who were crossing back and forth over the border, engaging in guerrella warefare against the occupiers,.... the ottoman empire & venetian republic.

[tyson]

croat hajduk, "mijat tomic"



here's a picture of croat gusle player "zeljko simic"



here's a picture of croat hajduk andrijica simic, from zeljko simic's gusle album cover.

[kapetan]

Nov 19, 2008 0:54:58 GMT -5 tyson said:

turbans werent just worn by the muslim bosniaks, but also by catholic croats from parts of western BiH (livno, duvno, kupres, posusje) and the dalmatian hinterland (metkovic, imotski, sinj).
in other words, the lands of the hajduks who were crossing back and forth over the border, engaging in guerrella warefare against the occupiers,.... the ottoman empire & venetian republic.

yup my pics werent just muslims. its what i been saying. clothes differend region to region and everyone wore turbans and simmilar shit more or less. herzegovina was influenced alot by montenegrin shit.

[tyson]

^
more like the nosnje worn from the old principalities of the neretljani, zahumlje, travunija, and duklja had similar nosnje., hence why nosnje from the whole dubrovnik region is similar to montenegrin nosnje.

we croats refer to this area as red croatia. serbs or bosniaks would refer to this area as something else.

but what can be agreed on is that the old peoples who were living in these principalities were culturally and ethnically indistinguishable. they just had different princes or dukes ruling different parts.

[fazlinho]

but what can be agreed on is that the old peoples who were living in these principalities were culturally and ethnically indistinguishable. they just had different princes or dukes ruling different parts.

I very much doubt Gorshtak meant that.

[tyson]

he said that herzegovinans were heavily montenegrin influenced, and i replied with my response countering that claim. they were always culturally similar.

[fazlinho]

That's why I said Gorshtak didn't mean that, of course you did.

[hellboy87]

You know,I also saw another type of hat in the site that Gorstak showed me.Its a flat hat.

Its amazing,that the Bosniaks,as an ethnic group has so much clothing differences

[Emperor AAdmin]

The fez cap originated in Greece[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] and was subsequently worn by the Medieval Ottoman Turks[10][11][12][13][14] during their conquest of Byzantine Anatolia.

Fez (basically a fancier version of a Montenegrin cap in terms of appearance) like the Montenegrin caps (seen also in similar forms in Macedonia, Greece and Hercegovina) are of Balkanic origin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez_(clothing)

[kapetan]

Nov 19, 2008 13:13:44 GMT -5 hellboy87 said:

You know,I also saw another type of hat in the site that Gorstak showed me.Its a flat hat.

Its amazing,that the Bosniaks,as an ethnic group has so much clothing differences

serbia has alot of different regional looks too...alot of countries do.

[tyson]

^
as does croatia, with its adriatic, dinaric, and panonian zones are all very much different to each other, and there is also alot of variations within those zones aswell.

Nov 19, 2008 13:17:32 GMT -5 Emperor AAdmin said:

The fez cap originated in Greece[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] and was subsequently worn by the Medieval Ottoman Turks[10][11][12][13][14] during their conquest of Byzantine Anatolia.

Fez (basically a fancier version of a Montenegrin cap in terms of appearance) like the Montenegrin caps (seen also in similar forms in Macedonia, Greece and Hercegovina) are of Balkanic origin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fez_(clothing)

dont forget lika caps, dalmatinska zagora caps, and dubrovnik region caps

[srbobran]

turbanswerent just worn by the muslim bosniaks, but also by catholic croats

Serbs did too. In fact, my father (when we visited Serbia last time) bought an original photograph of Milos Obrenovic (wearing a turban) from way back in the days of the principality.

[Emperor AAdmin]

Risan, Montenegro


Hercegovina


Dubrovnik


Dalmacija


Sibenik (Dalmacija)


Lika


Krajina


Bosnia


('New') Macedonia


Elbasan, Albania


Aromanian


Skrapar, South Albania


Kastoria, Macedonia


Epirus


Crete

[tyson]

lika caps and traditional dress







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dalmatinska zagora cap and traditional dress, from srijane, which is inland from omis



dalmatinska zagora cap and traditonal dress from drnis



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traditional caps and dress for konavle.

the female cap to the left is worn by unmarried females, and the white veil to the far right is worn by married women.
in the middle is the male dress and cap .



here's a close-up of the female konavle dress, with the cap worn by unmarried females.


here is another 2 pictures of konavle traditional dress. the female that is wearing the crown made of flowers on her head, wears that when she is getting married at a wedding.



here is the male and female traditonal dress of dubrovnik proper.
as you can see the latin/venetian influence in the female dress, and the influence by the dubrovnik hinterland of the male dress. almost the same is the konavle male dress, in that they both use red, white, black and gold colors in the dress, but dubrovnik and zupa dubrovacka uses blue color in the dress aswell, where as konavle doesnt.

[tito]

[tyson]

even in medulin, istra they have a dinaric influenced dress, with a cap



nosnje from zagvozd in dalmatinska zagora

[tyson]

more turbans and traditional dress from imotski:

[kapetan]

christians wearing turbans.

[kapetan]

catholic from central bosnia