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Post by terroreign on Feb 23, 2008 23:28:09 GMT -5
edit. Topic tile changed.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Feb 24, 2008 1:51:52 GMT -5
But all I see is geographical boundaries. Where is the line between the Bulgarians, Greeks and the Albos? Its like giving a map of Thrace withought the boundaries between Bulgaria, Turkey and Greece!
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 24, 2008 2:03:56 GMT -5
Terror the wilder confuses geographical regions of Macedonia with Ethnicity. People remember geographical origin and ethnicity aren’t the same that it's self should be self evident. Weeeeeeeeep you lost wahhh the Macedonian strugle. ;D Terror going by your logic then Mastafa Ataturk was a Greek Macedonian ? Wtf No offence intended we all know he was Turkish just demonstrating, Terrors and FYROMians logics.He was born in the Greek Macedonian regions of Thessaloniki.....Enough said. .
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Post by iskender on Feb 24, 2008 12:34:55 GMT -5
No Attaturk was no """FYROMian""" or greek.He was turkish but he learned high school in Bitola and he live for while in """FYROM""".But <------------edit, insults removed---------------> full with romantic ideas allways says something whit no fact
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Post by iskender on Feb 24, 2008 12:36:04 GMT -5
In 2012 This map will be official .Pozdrav Terroreign
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 24, 2008 16:41:06 GMT -5
half of today Fyrom was Dardanian with Shkupi-Skopje Capital, also Shkupi was Capital pf Kosova durink Othoman era.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 1:16:02 GMT -5
I think ajax should make editing posts his day job.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 25, 2008 2:48:01 GMT -5
I think ajax should make editing posts his day job. Pleasures all mine ;D Hope soon we don't have to be like this. Another name we hope for you soon for you guy's not a Greek one please. Be original. .
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 3:24:05 GMT -5
I hope too, I also hope you understand I am in no way """FYROMian""" or from Skopia, I just like defending the defenseless.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 25, 2008 3:29:17 GMT -5
In my case it’s clarifying things up for the confused.
Circumstances brought to them by politicians of a by gone era with sinister intentions against my country. And correcting my countries past politicians past dealings who were gutless to do anything about it.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 3:32:18 GMT -5
There is evidence that the region of today's "FYROM" was known as Macedonia before the 1900's.
The root of this problem is not a political issue, it is an ethnic one.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 25, 2008 3:39:32 GMT -5
There is evidence that the region of today's "FYROM" was known as Macedonia before the 1900's. The root of this problem is not a political issue, it is an ethnic one. It was and is a fact. Different ethnics claimed to be of Macedonian origin due to geographical reasons and not ethnic. Only two major ethics who were referred to as Macedonians during the 1900's were the Greeks and the Bulgarians. This is a fact, hence why the Macedonian strugle was btw Greeks and Bulgarians. We know that Alexander spread the Hellenic culture to the then known world some thousands of years before.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 25, 2008 3:40:34 GMT -5
The root of this problem is not a political issue, it is an ethnic one. Do some research on Tito on which nation he created at 1945.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 3:44:26 GMT -5
The name was before tito, do you honestly believe tito placed the name? That's a popular greek myth.
Just because the area around Skopia and vardar wasn't refrenced in Maps as Macedonia before 1945, does not mean it was not known as Macedonia by the people, (The turks called the area around skopia Macedonia as well).
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 25, 2008 4:35:32 GMT -5
The name was before tito, do you honestly believe tito placed the name? That's a popular greek myth.
Just because the area around Skopia and vardar wasn't refrenced in Maps as Macedonia before 1945, does not mean it was not known as Macedonia by the people, (The turks called the area around skopia Macedonia as well).
We have detailed articles, census papers and from the Turkish authorities all pre 1900's and after all show no Macedonian nation, now would our number one enemy conspire against these people ? and be in favour for us ? Even during the Macedonia strugle being btw Greece and Bulgaria where was this so called ethnos bre. .
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Post by ioan on Feb 25, 2008 12:12:37 GMT -5
The name was before tito, do you honestly believe tito placed the name? That's a popular greek myth. Just because the area around Skopia and vardar wasn't refrenced in Maps as Macedonia before 1945, does not mean it was not known as Macedonia by the people, (The turks called the area around skopia Macedonia as well). AND? YOUR POINT BEING WHAT? ? We all know where Thrace is situated as geographical region. We know its devided between Bulgaria, Greece and Turkey. Trace was known, refered to the whole medievil times. Now does this mean that in southeast Bulgaria, northeast Greece and northwest Turkey there live "Thracians" ?? Yes, they live but they are Thracians as regional thing but etnically they are Bulgarian, Greek and Turkish. We in Bulgaria have thracians but they know they are Bulgarian, just they came from this geographical region. The same about Dobrudga or Misia, I m born in town in north Bulgaria so I am sometimes refered to as Miziez or Dobrudganez but I am still Bulgarian. Macedonia was always mentioned together with Thrace: that just prooves that in the middle ages it was a region with different people living there, exacly like Thrace.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 25, 2008 15:10:11 GMT -5
Okay ioan - thank you for supporting my argument.
In a court of law, "FYROM" could legally use the name Macedonia due to historical-geographical reasons.
As for the people, they register how they wish, that cannot be controlled and greece cannot block their access into the EU due to that.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 26, 2008 0:31:21 GMT -5
In a court of law, "FYROM" could legally use the name Macedonia due to historical-geographical reasons.
No they don't that's why we had to make an interim accord agreement with them, and later they were forced to change their flag to what now looks like a Japanese flag legaly by international laws we stopped them breaking the law. Because no country has any right to just become anything they want to, especially at the expense of their neighbours. According to our agreements there is an article 11; Article 11. Greece has the right to bloc FYROM’s aspirations for any affiliation with NATO or with the EU with a name not agreed to by Greece. We have the right to Veto their a$$es. No they don't see above. Mr. Anarchist.
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