Bozur
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Post by Bozur on Jul 10, 2009 12:09:16 GMT -5
sa SC genetski najblizi srbima su makedonci. a „bosnjaci” pak blize srbima, nego hrvatima. znaci „hrvatsko cvijece” su ipak naše gore lisce.
Subclade J2f1 is present at 2.5% in Serbs and Slavic Macedonians. I1b* (xM26) is at 29-32% in Serbs, Macedonians and Croats, as low as 3% in Macedonian Roma and Kosovar Albanians, as high as 63% in Herzegovinians. The R1a is the same in Macedonians and Serbs at 15% and close to Herzegovinians at 12%, notable gap between the Albanians (4%) and Croats (35%). Bosnian Serbs are closer to Bosniaks than to Croats, the J Haplogroup is 9% in Serbs and 12% in Bosniaks and almost non-existent among Croats. I-P37 is higher in Croats (71%) than in Serbs (31%) and Bosniaks (44%).[2] In Europe, the highest frequency of the E3b1-α cluster is among Kosovo Albanians (45.6%), Albanians (27.0%), and Macedonians (24.1%). The frequency of this cluster among Serbs from Serbia is 20.4%, and among Herzegovinians 8.5%.[3]
Y Chromosome HG2 is around 50% in Yugoslavs, Georgians, Ukrainians, with Turks and French at 25%. HG1 is at 10-15% in Serbs, Greeks, Cypriots, Belarusians, Ukrainians and in the Baltic peoples. HG3 is frequent in Central Europe but declines towards Eurasia, 15% in Serbs and Romanians, 8% in Greeks, 50% in Russians and 55% in Poles. HG9 is non-existent in Northern Europe, 10% in Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Serbs, Portuguese, higher concentration in Italy, Greece, Turkey and Caucasus. HG21 is at 13% in Serbs, Italians and Portuguese, higher concentration in Greeks at 30% and as low as 4% in Ukrainians.[4] Haplogroup I2, predominant in Western Balkans
The high frequencies of haplogroup I1b* (xM26) among Serbs and neighboring Slavic-speaking populations, the highest in Europe, testify to their common paternal lineage. Serbs have also a relatively high frequency of R1a. High frequencies of both I1b* (xM26) and R1a are characteristic for Slavic paternal gene pool. The main genetic heterogeneity among Serbs is observed in the frequencies of the E3b1-α cluster. The population of the Dinaric complex has a significantly lower frequency of that cluster than the population of the Morava-Danube river system. This is a result of the distribution of different pre-Slavic Balkan populations.[3]
The ethnic group closest to the Serbs genetically is the Macedonian Slavs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 15, 2009 9:20:46 GMT -5
"The ethnic group closest to the Serbs genetically is the Macedonian Slavs."
They are Serbs, full stop!. There is cultural and historical evidence to prove this. Unfortunately they were slightly Bulgarianised during samuils time and further Bulgarianised during the Exarchos period!.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 16, 2009 3:10:05 GMT -5
Where is the link?
And where are the Bulgarian members?
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Post by Username on Jul 16, 2009 3:30:19 GMT -5
You people obviously don't know what an ethnicity is.
Lots of European groups share common genetics.. that doesn't make them one ethnicity however (e.g. the Flemmish, Walloons, Dutch are pretty much genetically identical).
Ethnicity has more to do with culture than anything else. Macedonians are Slavs - not the ancient Macedonians, but they are clearly a SEPARATE ethnic group from Bulgarians and Serbians. Anyone who claims they are one or the other doesn't know what they're talking about.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 16, 2009 4:01:08 GMT -5
Username, you are absolutely 100% correct in what you are saying there though it's not exactly relevant to what this is about.
Obviously FYROMians today are not of the Serbian or Bulgarian ethnicity & Novi, Pyros & others are not claiming that the FYROMians are presently Serbs. They're saying that in the past they were, & having a closer genetic link is likely to support such a Serbian claim over a Bulgarian claim.
Personally I have little interest in the FYROMians. For some reason I just find the Serbian (Novi & Pyros) versus the Bulgarians claim over the FYROMians amuzing & entertaining as it's much more light weight compared to say Serbs versus Albanians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 16, 2009 4:53:41 GMT -5
I'm sure Username that if the results for the Albanians matched the illyrian B.S all you Albs will be speaking about it every single day to further claims onto non albanian areas.....l guarantee.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 16, 2009 4:56:14 GMT -5
Your right, however, l would first of all like to see vardar drop its fascination with Alexander and rename itself.
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Post by Username on Jul 16, 2009 13:13:35 GMT -5
I'm sure Username that if the results for the Albanians matched the illyrian B.S all you Albs will be speaking about it every single day to further claims onto non albanian areas.....l guarantee. Lol I'm not Albanian!!!
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