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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 3:10:44 GMT -5
Greeks remind me alot of Isrealis very similar.
Both countries rich in culture and history.
Greeks are not defined at least in nowdays as an ethnic group. Like the isrealis alot of interbreeding with other people.
Greeks define themselves as orthodox and bieng of hellenic culture.
Isrealis define themselves as jewish and of jewish culture.
Neither is an ethnic group anymore. jews have alot of arab, european and ancient jewish blood.
Greeks are very mixed race.
Unlike other countries like german you are German by blood or you are albanian by blood.
Greece is like isreal you can be greek if you become orthodox and change your name.
Isreali you can become jewish and chage your name.
My point is that greeks are not really an ethnic group anymore like the isrealis they are like little americas both of them held together by culture and in there cases religion.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 3:15:13 GMT -5
Nice try but your complexes don't work here. There is no such thing as an Albanian, Greek or Jewish race. Just look up the word you turd. The white race is divided into Alpine, Mediterranean, Dinaric and Nordic so off course there is no Greek race but a culture. The Greeks are a Mediterranean dominated race with Alpine, Dinaric and minor or no Nordicism, They have always been like this just read Steve Coon 'The Races of Europe' or read Dienikes Pontikos, Aris Poulianos and among others.
Read this and envy loser.
"Modern scholars and scientists have supported the notion that there is a dominant racial connection to the ancient Greeks. Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Paolo Menozzi, and Alberto Piazza, have found evidence of a genetic connection between the ancient and modern Greeks. Recent genetic analyses of Greek populations have provided strong evidence supporting the existence of overwhelmingly significant levels of continuity between ancient Greeks and modern Greeks (low admixture attributed to genetic isolation due to physical barriers such as hills and mountains)."
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 3:32:55 GMT -5
There is such a thing as ethnic group why when you go to ireland and you take DNA samples they show very close ties but if you take samples of greeks you will find that DNA is very diffrent in relative terms.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 3:42:39 GMT -5
Your Pathetic. You have no idea of what you are talking about. No one has the same DNA, everyone's is different. Who said Irish are all the same. Go to Ireland they have different hair and eye colors, different heights, head shapes eg... Are they the same? They are just like the rest of the world same goes with Albania.
P.S There is no such thing as an Albanian Race. You all look different and we don't even know where you came from let alone know what you are...
So get over your little petty complexes and stop with the Racism.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 3:48:51 GMT -5
I said "very close ties" not the same so correct that part.
"An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry."
I am sure that there are greeks who are the desecnts of ancinet greeks but alot of them are not that is my point.
If you were to take dna samples you find diffrent geneology and ancestry.
Same with any other country but in greece it is more prevalent then some others.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 4:01:09 GMT -5
Greek goverment itself states "there are no ethnic devisions in Greece"
AND im saying Greece as a nation defines itself on the basis of culture and religion.
Not on ethnicity like some other nation states
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 4:02:06 GMT -5
Off course all Greeks have ancient Greek blood and share common Greek ancestry. You would have to be very un lucky not to. Just think of it this way a Romanian or a Vlach moves into Greece in the 13th Century. He lives along side Greeks and forgets his homeland above the Danube. Does he not mix with the Greeks and absorb the Greek blood? There is more chance for this to happen then for that person to stay a 'pure' Vlach. Off course there have been mixtures in Greece, Albania and the rest of the world. But not enough for the Greek 'blood' or 'Physic' to be overrun. Greece is not any more mixed then any other nation.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 4:12:16 GMT -5
I agree the "phsyic" is still going strong thats one of my points you are the same culturuly and reliogiusly you hellenized the vlach but if i went and took a DNA sample i would find vlach similiraties and this is more prevalent in greece because its been a modern country sense ancient times so alot of immigration. Unlike korea or japan or norway where the people are pretty much the same they have been locked. In NORTH albania they have been locked it is a widely known fact that they are homogeneous.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 4:16:41 GMT -5
Have you been reading what i have said. Greeks share common ancestry so how could they not be the same. Your a common Albanian Hypocrite. Greece is not a 'new' Nation it is over four thousand years old. Albania is the new Nation. Greeks are more homogeneous then Albanians anyway if you like it or not. North Albanians are not pure. There is no such thing as a pure people.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 4:16:58 GMT -5
My point is that you can be greek on the basis of citienship not on ethnicity greeks are a mixed race.
No they dont they share same culture because they immigrated to greece and adopted the greek culture but ancestry is where your forefathers came from and alot of people in greece have diffrent ancestry hence difreent ethnic origin.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 4:19:57 GMT -5
You can be Greek on the basis of culture. Citizenship in my oppinion is not enough, this is my belief. If you believe this you can be Albanian on the basis of Citizenship to. It depends on what you mean by mixed...
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Post by albpatriot18 on Nov 19, 2007 4:27:46 GMT -5
"You can be Greek on the basis of culture"
Exactly you define greeks by culture as some one who shares the same culture as you do thats what ive been saying anyone can be greek as long as they act greek or follow the greek culture.
Where as Albanians we define them by blood or common ancestor you have to have albanian ancestors and albanian blood to be albanian.
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 19, 2007 4:30:29 GMT -5
Nice try. We define Greeks by comman Ancestry and Culture. But if a person where to adopt Greek culture and beliefs i would respect that.
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Post by leandros nikon on Nov 19, 2007 5:13:00 GMT -5
welcome new member...personally i dont care much about ancestry and pure blood/genes...national concience really matters...there are many people of greek origin in turkey for instance...people who had changed their faith centuries ago in order to have a better life,or just to save thier life...also the descendants of kidnapped greek children...do they feel greek any more?certainly not....are they greek any more?
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 19, 2007 6:35:48 GMT -5
We can't all be so lucky to posses that superior Alb dna.... we are just lowly mixed mutts.... if you want to see superiority just look at the Albanian nation.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 19, 2007 15:01:57 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Greeks[/glow] had nothing in common with [glow=red,2,300]Albanians[/glow]
The Modern Greeks write in the way their Ancient Greek forefathers were once used to write Greeks are pure,in our veins flows [glow=red,2,300]Greek Blood [/glow]
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