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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 27, 2009 22:29:01 GMT -5
Kosovo's assembly speaker: Ethnic Macedonians do not know their identity
Kosovo's parliamentary speaker Jakup Krasniqi, a former KLA warlord turned politician, has argued that the ethnic Macedonians do "not know their identity".
(KosovoCompromise Staff) Friday, September 25, 2009
"They don't know if they are Macedonians created by a Tito decree, if they are predecessors of the Bulgarian Samiil, or if they are predecessors of Alexander the Great, whose origin is Illyrian," Krasniqi said, in his condemnation of an encyclopedia published by the Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts, MASA, which refers to Albanians as "usurpers of Macedonian land".
The Prime Minister of Albania Sali Berisha, who has recently urged the unification of ethnic Albanians in the Balkans, also blasted the encyclopedia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 27, 2009 22:33:38 GMT -5
^ Mr Krasniqi, do some research about your own family identity before you comment on others!.
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Post by ioan on Sept 28, 2009 1:17:54 GMT -5
he has a point though - how can they identify with samuel (and not with dushan) and not be bulgarians?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 1:46:22 GMT -5
^ One who lacks understanding and knowledge of vardar will link them to the Bulgaria, somewhat understandable, when one needs to type Bulgaria and fyrom in a search engine on the net, and the result will be pages of historical propaganda that has been fed from the 19th century......its kinda brainwashing, isn't Ioan.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 4:25:44 GMT -5
^^^ Novi whats more hilarious is that there are robots (real ones not like our friend Ivan-Jovan-Ioan) which replicate info from certain "reliable" sources (wikipedia) to other robotized "encyclopedias". I once wrote, as a joke, that Serbs from RepSrpska are the tallest people of the world, and one week later i was stunned to see it appearing as "fact" in certain pages. Thats the way "knowledge" is produced in our days, in this paperless world we live in!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 5:02:33 GMT -5
^ The biggest problem is that the origins of the slavs in the balkans is not so clear cut as Ioan and Ruse thinks. The 19th century rubbish, first of all, overlooks the time when the Bulgars settles the Balkans, then secondly you never see the name serb, but slav is used instead for people inhabiting the region prior to when khan samuil occupies it with his empire.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 5:10:38 GMT -5
" then secondly you never see the name serb, but slav is used instead "
Yep, Slavs which were the most ancient stock of Stokavian Serbs!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 5:39:35 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, the Turkic Bulgars arrive and permanently settle behind the Danube in 681 AD (7th century), while the serbs 100 to 150 years earlier settle in vardar, but they are called as slavs not serbs in modern historical texts, while the name Bulgar is placated as gold.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 28, 2009 5:46:10 GMT -5
^ Mr Krasniqi, do some research about your own family identity before you comment on others!. +1
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 5:54:08 GMT -5
^ Pyrro, the Turkic Bulgars arrive and permanently settle behind the Danube in 681 AD (7th century), while the serbs 100 to 150 years earlier settle in vardar, but they are called as slavs not serbs in modern historical texts, while the name Bulgar is placated as gold. Anyway, Novi, its not our job to change our falsified world. If a major power pays 1000s of albos/turkos/germanos/anglos to edit wikipedia to write articles, to saturate the internet with propaganda, there is nothing we can do Novi on an individual level. Let them go fuck themselves.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 28, 2009 6:14:28 GMT -5
Those were Slavs from the so-called Bulgarian group who took part in the formation of the Bulgarian nation, alongside with Bulgars. I don't know how many times you have to be reminded of that in order to somehow remember it once and for all. Do you have an Ytong block instead of brain?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 6:54:37 GMT -5
Those were Slavs from the so-called Bulgarian group who took part in the formation of the Bulgarian nation, alongside with Bulgars. I don't know how many times you have to be reminded of that in order to somehow remember it once and for all. Do you have an Ytong block instead of brain? And the so-called Bulgarian group had another name at the time i suppose, because the term "Bulgar" was not known yet. (as we have already stated that prediction of the future was not widely practiced those old days ;D) Do you know this name? Let me tell you.... TORLAKIAN MAYBE ;D Do you prefer the term "STOKAVIAN" ;D Or as Ioan would say: SIMPLE SERBO_CROATIAN!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 6:59:18 GMT -5
PS Novi, according to your records, was there any convergence/relation betweens slav tribes from Crna Gora, Bosna, Hercegovina and eastern Bulgaria?
How would you explain their "Yakavica"? Sounds like a stressed and overexagerated Jekavica to me.
DESNO = DYASNO? Nobody says "Dijesno" in BiH/CG/HR/SRB
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 7:51:08 GMT -5
"And the so-called Bulgarian group had another name at the time i suppose, because the term "Bulgar" was not known yet." Exactly right, the slavic clan that today call themselves after a Turkic people were known as the severci, they are the only slavic tribe that these Turkic people subjugate. This tribe only inhabited around the region of Dobruja (Modern Bulgarska). While other slavic tribes that were related to the serbs lived in modern vardar, albania, bosnia and serbia, here are some of their names: (Dragovichi, Timochani, Brancevichi, Brsjachi, moravljani, smoljani etc....). When the serbs arrive, they settle amoungst these tribes and had assimilated them, well before the turkic Bulgars founded their first (abode) Pliska in 681AD behind the Danube (modern NE Bulgarska). "Do you know this name? Let me tell you.... TORLAKIAN MAYBE ;D Do you prefer the term "STOKAVIAN" ;D Pyrro, it sould be called old serbian When the slavs first arrived in the Balkans (5th to 6th centuries), starting with the undifferentiated slavs, their language didn't resemble serbian, slavic Bulgarian or Bosnian etc....but it resembled most closely to modern slovenian, as their language is considered most nearest to this early Proto-Slavic. All modern balkan slavic langauges are a product of this early balkan proto-slavic. Now referring to the speakers of proto-slavic, Max Vasmer says that "before the more important dialectual differences began to emerge, they inhabited a region whose individual areas were subject to mutual linguistic modification". Remember that linguistic oases were found in WW2 that most resembled slovene, especially in the towns, for instance, like Ostrovo and Edessa. There are linguists who view vardarian, even in its warped state that it should be placed in the Balkan linguistic west instead of the balkan linguistic east like B'lgarski ezik (Bulgarian Language). Or as Ioan would say: SIMPLE SERBO_CROATIAN!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 8:03:31 GMT -5
Novi amazing, even their names are Serb to the bone: Dragovichi!! (-ic!) In Epirus we had Vojnici right? "Remember that linguistic oases were found in WW2 that most resembled slovene, especially in the towns, for instance, like Ostrovo and Edessa. " HA HA, this one alone destroys any bulgo dream whatsoever, and also, i am sorry to say that it will embarrass a lot of greeks as well. Also when a team goes to play against PAOK they call PAOKtzides as bulgarians.... If i go with my team (PAS Giannena) to Salonika .... i will call them ... SLOVENES instead Anyways, just kidding. PAOK is from Constantinopole and the guys are greekiest as it gets. Novi, isnt it C in Caikavica became ST in Serbian? Opcina->Opstina Cai->Sta etc... I still kind of believe that all those pronunciations are kind of ancient.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 8:31:04 GMT -5
"Novi amazing, even their names are Serb to the bone: Dragovichi!! (-ic!)"
Exactly Pyrro!.
"I still kind of believe that all those pronunciations are kind of ancient."
maybe man.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 28, 2009 8:38:20 GMT -5
"Anyways, just kidding. PAOK is from Constantinopole and the guys are greekiest as it gets." .....pyrro man, constantinopole will one day be in the hands of its right owners + the centre of orthodoxy has to be in Greece ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 12:00:47 GMT -5
"Anyways, just kidding. PAOK is from Constantinopole and the guys are greekiest as it gets." .....pyrro man, constantinopole will one day be in the hands of its right owners + the centre of orthodoxy has to be in Greece ;D My dream is to take Vyzantine Greek Civilization back from its BRAVE guards Serbs and Russians. You guys have kept Vyzantine spirit alive for more than 1000 years. Time for us to do smth about it, to add smth to it, to say hello to the world again, cause right now all we do is dance at the tunes or mr X-Miller. As silly as it may seem (cause the situation is silly itself) the time that i will see the first THREE drivers stop in the same painted Zebra crossing ANYWHERE in Greece, i will know thy time hath come
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Post by ioan on Sept 28, 2009 12:44:11 GMT -5
Exactly right, the slavic clan that today call themselves after a Turkic people were known as the severci, they are the only slavic tribe that these Turkic people subjugate. They were not the only, there were also the 7 slavic tribes from MOesia. They are the first slavic tribes the Bulgars encountered, but the Dragovici etc., that were in fyrom and southern Bulgaria were slavs from the Bulgarian group (spoke different from the Serbo-Croats language) and took part in the formation of the Bulgarian nation, as Ruse pointed out for 1000 th time. Dobruja is 1/8 probably of todays Bulgaria so either you think 7/8 of Bulgaria isnt Bulgarian or most likely: you have no idea what Dobroga is. Strange how not a single writer said this... It doesnt correspond to any historic record and is just wishful thinking on the part of the Simple Bulgarian. All those took part in the formation of the Bulgarian nation, because they populatecd teritories where the later inhabitants were always called Bulgarians (or simple Bulgarians) and never Serbs. Not a single source talks about this "assimilation". But the Serbs left no trace in fyrom and moved to Serbia. But it is called by its speakers the Torlakians "Simple Bulgarians". Actually most linguists believe that when the slavs came to the Bolkans they were already devided into Eastern South Slavic group (Bulgarian and fyromian) and Serbo-croatian. Those are Serbian and fyromian "linguists" who obviously are motivated by other goals and deffinately not by linguistics. indeed
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 28, 2009 14:50:17 GMT -5
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