gavrilo
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 2, 2009 20:47:52 GMT -5
How do most of you Albanians feel about Albanians that moved and live in Turkey?
Is there any interaction? (Are some moving back to Albania)
Is there any difference between relations between Turkish Albanians (presumably muslim) and non-muslim albanians?
Any other interesting comments?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 2, 2009 21:29:24 GMT -5
A few years ago, a singer of Albanian origin from the southern Albanian city of Berat came down to visit her city of origin... and old family members. Big news was made of it. I have also talked to a few Turkish Albanians who visited their cities of origin, mostly from my southern Albania (one I spoke to was from Gjirokaster). I dont think any move back to Albania, most who live there have been there for a long time. But they certainly are conscious of their origins. You can find numerous Facebook groups under the search "Arnavut" or "Arnavutluk". Unfortunately, most of them do not speak Albanian anymore and have very Turkish names (part of the Turkicizing process). There are also a lot of websites: arnavutuz.com/ Arnavutum.com www.muslumanarnavutluk.com/ (Islamic Albanian page). Probably not much... I havent heard much of it. if at all. Albanians who moved to Turkey did so under difficult times and largely from persecution. As a result they tend to be a bit more religious, especially since they live in Turkey and most today feel assimilated into Turkish society. Most of their concentration is on Islamic Albania. In general, I dont think Albanians place so much emphasis on faith issues... Although in Albania itself, pride is placed on the general diaspora of Albania, whether to Italy (Arberesh) or Turkey (Arnavuts), with little emphasis placed on faith but rather simply the dispersed character of Albanians. However, these links go one way and most have little in touch with one another (Arberesh would be expected to be a little anti-Turkish, while Arnavuts have shown a mild interest in the group). In todays Albania there isnt such a big place on Arnavuts of Turkey, largely because of the need to push westernization. So more attention is placed on, say, Arberesh, Albanian communties of Italy, or, to sort of stick it to Greece, the Arvanites, Albanian speaking communities of Greece. The Arnavuts do get notabled attention, but only minor besides these two.
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Post by monsterofsouli on Aug 2, 2009 21:32:21 GMT -5
^^^^ The "know it all" speaks again.
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Post by coke&broke on Aug 2, 2009 21:35:57 GMT -5
First of all, most Albanians did not simply "leave" Albanian lands and settled in Turkey, they were forcefully expelled from their homes by the Serb regime (in agreement with Turkey) in the early part of the 20th century, whilst others had to flee because of years of persecution and mass killings during Rankovic's reign.
I have seen a few Albanians that settled in Turkey in an Alb documentary and I consider them brothers. They are very proud of their heritage and still have a rudimentary understanding of the Albanian language (some speak fluently) and are aware of our history, culture and traditions. There are others that are equally honored by their Turkish Citizenship and Albanian ancestry, while many others have been largely assimilated into Turkish culture and solely identify them selves as Turks.
I don't see why Albanians of the Catholic or Orthodox faith should treat these people any different to their Albanian Muslim counterparts, as the only different between an Albanian muslim in Turkey and an Albo Muslim in Albania, Kosova, Macedonia etc.. is essentially the location. Evidently there are a tiny minority of Albanian religious zealots who may not have a favourable opinion of them based purely on their religious beliefs...but other than that there is no genuine reason to dislike those Albs in Turkey with an Albanian consciousness.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 2, 2009 21:47:18 GMT -5
Albanians have a large community in Izmir, even the major was once of Albanian origin:
These guys may be immigrants in Istanbul:
Alot of Albanians attend Turkish universities, since it is easier to get visas for them than for those in Europe and America. This is from ODTU (Middle East Technical University) in Ankara.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 2, 2009 22:00:10 GMT -5
Many are still pretty well aware of their roots: Cultural meeting of Albanians in Turkey. Most of them are refugees from Kosova and Macedonia from the 50s.
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gavrilo
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Post by gavrilo on Aug 2, 2009 23:19:43 GMT -5
yea i figured that was the case, but i remember reading something negative about turkish albanians in a thread a while back, so i figured i would ask.
i have a good friend from izmir who told me he knew quite a few albanians there.
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Post by telemaque on Aug 3, 2009 3:17:34 GMT -5
I know plenty of Albanians from Turkey, mainly Istanbul where I'll spend probably my next year vacations. They are above the average Turk citizen. even if over there, mainly speaking for that city, they are globally wel civilized,...
on the other side, many albanians from turkey who are now immigrants in EU hardly say they are albanians. they just tell it for albos...but for Turks and others they say "Turkish"...i do not know where they are from exactly in Turkey...
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 3, 2009 5:45:15 GMT -5
they are turks for all intents and purposes, there is nothing albanian about them, end of story.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 3, 2009 9:09:27 GMT -5
they are turks for all intents and purposes, there is nothing albanian about them, end of story. Thereare a large amount that speak Albanian and feel Albanian. There is nothing Turkish about this group. I welcome these Albanians (not including any radicals Islamist) with open arms. I have 3rd cousins in Turkey that speak and feel Turkish and our family has lost all contact with them. I could care less about these "Turks." The same feeling is applied to Arberesh that feel Italian or Arvanites that feel Greek.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Aug 3, 2009 9:31:56 GMT -5
i have heard that albs have their own quarters in turkey, we had some colleagues of ours visiting us from our turkey office in Istanbul and they were telling me about these neighbourhoods and the alb community, they called it 'arnoutllie', the impression i got of those guys is that they very much distiguish albs over there, so there does seem to be a sense of 'otherness' and distinctiveness to some extent but the majority of albs have fully assimilated into turkish culture, which is understandable, they've lived there for 200 years, i find it hard to identify with them though or the arberesh for that matter, arvanites i can't even stomach, i can't stand the sight of them fvcking turncoat prats.
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Post by Aris on Aug 3, 2009 10:39:07 GMT -5
^^^^ The "know it all" speaks again. All knowing Oracle __________________ ;D
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Aug 3, 2009 11:10:43 GMT -5
I am sure western Turks consists of many Greeks..I have been many times to Smyrna and the faces tell a story...
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Post by bato2 on Aug 3, 2009 13:33:01 GMT -5
Albanian Diaspora in Turkey never contributed to the Albanian case, tho we had a big diaspora there. And i don't blame them, Turkish Civilzation didn't contributed nothing They don't deserve to be called Albanians, they are just simple Turks to me! I just take example our diaspora in Italy, they fought for Albanian case, Albanian language. Simple Turks(Ottomans) wanted us to speak their moorish language , they wanted to destroy our identity. They were the disgrace of Balkans an entire Europe
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 13:53:08 GMT -5
Im sure the Arberesh and Arvanites did a lot. LOL! Actually, the Albanians of Turkey came as volunteers to Kosovo during the war, and just last week they held a protest in Istanbul in honor of the Cams. Not to mention that they housed thousands of Albanian refugees during the course of the war. They are the most patriotic an proud of any of the diaspora. Look, kaur, if you dont like them thats fine, but most Albanians actually find connections with these people. These Albanians feel more Albanian than any other of the diaspora group, especially the Christian diaspora, which can barely stand the fact that Albania is majority Muslim. Here are Albanians welcoming their brothers from Turkey: In Istanbul: Albanian group performing in Turkey:
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 13:58:13 GMT -5
In southern Albania: Cultural meeting of Albanians in Turkey:
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 14:04:23 GMT -5
Turkish-Albanian Fellowship group: In Albania (again):
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Post by bato2 on Aug 3, 2009 14:24:16 GMT -5
Look, kaur, if you dont like them thats fine, but most Albanians actually find connections with these people.
These Albanians feel more Albanian than any other of the diaspora group, especially the Christian diaspora, which can barely stand the fact that Albania is majority Muslim.
Here are Albanians welcoming their brothers from Turkey: |
Well i am Albanian first and religion for me doesn't matter;I never cared about it but people like you destroyed our nation because they spend their life licking Turkish ar$$es. Nothing good came from Ottomans only slavery. But people like you were born slaves without identity, ready to lick moorish ar$$es. I am Albanian and i am proud of that! You are just a Turk!
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 3, 2009 14:30:27 GMT -5
a kaur doesnt have to have religion. Look at how you suk up to Greeks, thats sign that you are kaur. Im just as Albanian as those welcoming their brothers from Turkey. And like the Albs here:
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Post by bato2 on Aug 3, 2009 14:38:23 GMT -5
You are just a little pathetic man without identity The difference between you and me is he is my idol Idol of freedom of our nation(which some people like you don't deserve) For you is just a strange sculpture So for the record i never lick ar$$es like you do, ask in Greek forum about me
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