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Post by Kanaris on Jul 6, 2009 11:55:13 GMT -5
A true intellectual has just spoken and crap came out of his mouth.... as I write this Obama is cozying up to the Russians.... arent' they your buddies? Greece will be taken over by economic migrants....
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 6, 2009 13:12:02 GMT -5
we all know that canaris is very very far to be an intellectual, so whatever he may assert is only rubbish...position of Albania is strategic, we are close to USA, China ! What do you mean, a seventh grade education doesn't make you an intellectual anymore? What about years of experience in souvlaki making, that should account for something shouldn't it?
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Post by terroreign on Jul 6, 2009 13:58:24 GMT -5
I believe both theories are possible. That the Albanians were brought to the balkans by the Ottomans and given land around present day albania, or that they are Illyrians mixed with surrounding peoples who kept their language somewhat.
Although the former seems to be problematic due to the fact that, wouldn't the Albanians be muslims immediately upon reaching the balkans? Karl Topia, was an Albanian prince during the 1300's and was Catholic, how can you explain this?
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Post by insomniac on Jul 6, 2009 16:35:55 GMT -5
Albanians have been mentioned before Ottomans came to the Balkans. It is documented since 1000 AD there is written records.
This is not disputed and there really is no mystery to it. The rest is just serb retard type of propaganda. It doesn't hold much water in the scientific community. It's as believable as the "earth is flat".
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 6, 2009 16:40:07 GMT -5
well, you can not explain it logically, do not attempt to, you can only explain it through greek and serbian 18'th centuary fictional literature, every other neutral source has no doubts, only enlightened scholars of kanaris' pedegree can explain it,
how did turks bring albanians into the balcans? why albanians? why not dwell themselves(the turks)...and why did albanians defy them almost immediately, by taking up the resistance? how come then between 1250(kanaris plucked that out of thin air) until late thirteen hundreds all albanians converted to catholicism and orthodoxy when they in fact were planted there by turks?
but most importantly, we know in very large detail the moviments of the turkish empire since the time of seljuqs in asia minor going back to the time of the crusades, we have documented evidence, accounts, chronicles written down by the empire's historians and correspondances, but nowhere do they mention this mass placement of people in the heart of the balcans...
how come there is an affinity of albanian with latin, dachian, greek(ancient, not the toungue of the rat) and no similarity in structure with turkish? apart from a few words, besides, there are countless of albanian tribes and principalities which were referred to by their tribal moniker rather than ethnic pertinence such as muzaka tribe who are well documented to have their roots deep into the middle ages.
there is plenty of evidence which historical visionaries like kanaris and co. opt to overlook, because its their downfall, it means their indoctrinated, ignorant, donkey humping elders were talking sheet, you see, these narrow minded drones were programmed at an early age to think of albanians as foregin to the very land they have graced longer than their polluted bloodline, so they concoct these elaborate tales according to the version of events of so called greeks, who no longer than two centuries ago, apparently the very notion of did not exist, and hype their own delusional existence up, the entire greek modern history is anshrouded in a web of lies, a web which is coming undone on a daily basis, a greed for territories which transcends reason and logic.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 6, 2009 16:44:17 GMT -5
Show me evidence before 1200...... lots of evidence from 3rd party sources.... Other than the Arvanites and the Arbaresh, the fled your killing sprees to Italy.... the rest of you are a turkish magma of afterbirths.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 6, 2009 16:54:38 GMT -5
Are you serious Kane? LOL...
If we were "planted" by the Turks in the middle ages as you claim there will be plenty of written records about it. There is nothing because this is retarded. It was a gossip started by the infamous Highduke.
Not only are Albanians mentioned in Slavic journals especially Croatian historians. Under the name Arbanasi. Not only they are mentioned in Ottoman records when they conquest the Balkans they found an anti-Ottoman resistance by Albanians.
What happened later. People changing religion for opportunistic reasons is a different story. It has nothing to do with Albanians being autochthonous to the Balkan region.
Please do not offend logic anymore.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 6, 2009 16:57:33 GMT -5
Telemaque "position of Albania is strategic" ----------------------------------------- ... ... .... Do we speak about the same Albania?
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 6, 2009 17:31:19 GMT -5
Show me evidence before 1200...... lots of evidence from 3rd party sources.... Other than the Arvanites and the Arbaresh, the fled your killing sprees to Italy.... the rest of you are a turkish magma of afterbirths. we don't have to prove sh1t to you! where do you get the balls to demand smth like that, and why would anyone bother convincing someone who goes to greece once every ten years and everything he knows about greece is what karta 'the self loathing albanian' supplies to malinformed, misguided diaspora patriots like you. You obviously do not pay any attention to what foreign authors say, a countless number of them, you obviously choose to ignore all neutral sources, so why the f*** do you keep asking the same question like a retarded, senile halfwit, when you obviously don't read it? personally i don't give a toss about what you think coz you have time and time again have proven yourself to be a hatefull xenophobe who despises immigrants...but who is an immigrant himself? someone who is more of an immigrant than anyone in here? you are the epotome of irony, so by default your opinion means sh1t, here's you evidence before 1250,
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 6, 2009 17:39:13 GMT -5
Show me evidence before 1200...... lots of evidence from 3rd party sources.... Other than the Arvanites and the Arbaresh, the fled your killing sprees to Italy.... the rest of you are a turkish magma of afterbirths. we don't have to prove sh1t to you! where do you get the balls to demand smth like that, and why would anyone bother convincing someone who goes to greece once every ten years and everything he knows about greece is what karta 'the self loathing albanian' supplies to malinformed, misguided diaspora patriots like you. You obviously do not pay any attention to what foreign authors say, a countless number of them, you obviously choose to ignore all neutral sources, so why the f*** do you keep asking the same question like a retarded, senile halfwit, when you obviously don't read it? personally i don't give a toss about what you think coz you have time and time again have proven yourself to be a hatefull xenophobe who despises immigrants...but who is an immigrant himself? someone who is more of an immigrant than anyone in here? you are the epotome of irony, so by default your opinion means sh1t, here's you evidence before 1250, That's funny, before 1816 never exited greek nation even 60% of them camed in Greece (after 1920 from Syria adn Asia)...so Canaris can you prove any evidence about greek presence before 1816?
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 6, 2009 17:43:07 GMT -5
I don't care about my opinion you moron...who cares what people say.... weather it's me or you the dickhaid.... what you have to show is evidence showing that your not just an afterbirth that came out of a Turkish vagina and slipped on the floor and the dog lapped it up.... The world says 'prove it' and you show me your nads.... Figures, when I say you got dick..... thats all you got.
Yes I am an immigrant... this is not about immigrants......
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 6, 2009 17:50:02 GMT -5
its about a bunch of sub-saharan sand ni&&ers thinking they can pass themselves of as the ancient greeks, why don't you try to open a book for once? you and your slithery, caniving, reptilian bretheren, you have been given plenty of evidence and historical accounts by all sorts of sources but you ignore them, you thought highdukes claims were plausable... and if you believe that then you are an insult to humanity and not just because you're a greek
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 6, 2009 20:22:52 GMT -5
Thank you for proving me right.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jul 7, 2009 7:48:57 GMT -5
Where does a Greek come off by calling an Albanian a Turk? Look in a mirror buddy, there is absolutely nothing European about your appearance. Your kind often gets mistaken for Middle Easterners and North Africans. To make matters worst, you claim to be descendants of the Ancient Greeks, yet, your a bunch of right wing religion fanatics. Don't you find it ironic that there is no Greek without Orthodoxy? How could that possibly be?
Funny how you're the same bunch that did not even recognize your Greek nationality until the 18th century, and ironically enough it was the Orthodox Church that promoted these pseudo-bs ideas. Maybe religion is necessary to promote your Greekness.
I swear sometimes these Ultra-Nationalist from the diaspora are worst then the natives. Have a cold beer in Kanadia, go watch some hockey, attend a Serbian Orthodox church to make you feel like your at home and STFU. You know dick about the Balkans.
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 10:38:02 GMT -5
Albanians on the other hand have a very well documented history for over 4.000 years,with thousands of albanopelasgothracomalaysian texts...with a rich continuous literature, with major cities called like this Tirana, Durres, Vlore, Elbasan, Korce, Gjirokaster, Berat, Lushnje, Sarande, Pogradec. Peshkopi, Corovode, Polican, Selenice, Kucove, Biber, Has....( ???albanian names???) ... pure fanatic Aryans who in the same time protect Jews...with strong national identity not only after 1890 or something but from the times of Noe...etc etc
Every time I read texties like this I feel proud about Greeks majority's level...
PS. I thought we were not Saharans...Aren't we Albanians?
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Jul 7, 2009 10:48:35 GMT -5
Albanians on the other hand have a very well documented history for over 4.000 years,with thousands of albanopelasgothracomalaysian texts...with a rich continuous literature, with major cities called like this Tirana, Durres, Vlore, Elbasan, Korce, Gjirokaster, Berat, Lushnje, Sarande, Pogradec. Peshkopi, Corovode, Polican, Selenice, Kucove, Biber, Has....( ???albanian names???) Albanian history hasnt been studied like Greek history so until it is you cant say if these names are Albanian or not. not that it matters because the names of every city/state in America is foreign, maybe you should declare Rhode Island a lost Greek colony LoL
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jul 7, 2009 10:54:42 GMT -5
patrinos, we are honest enough to still carry the names and toponyms that time and history has etched on our ancient and glorious land, they are footprints that tell their own stories but greeks on the other hand....well you changed all of the un-greek sounding names and yet you come in here like a faceless hypocrit and have the balls to say that because of a few slavic sounding names we are not autochtonous and have no history? is this what you are claiming? you're so enlightened, even our slavic sounding names are older than 90% of greek toponyms, learn thy history, don't seek flaws in other when you are covered in them, you are scared sh1tless to dig beow the surface because you are petrified of what you might uncover, BEHOLD THE GREEK HOAX, beyond shamefull farcity, lies eternal relief, accept thy own delusion!
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 10:57:34 GMT -5
Albanians on the other hand have a very well documented history for over 4.000 years,with thousands of albanopelasgothracomalaysian texts...with a rich continuous literature, with major cities called like this Tirana, Durres, Vlore, Elbasan, Korce, Gjirokaster, Berat, Lushnje, Sarande, Pogradec. Peshkopi, Corovode, Polican, Selenice, Kucove, Diber, Has....( ???albanian names???) Albanian history hasnt been studied like Greek history so until it is you cant say if these names are Albanian or not. not that it matters because the names of every city/state in America is foreign, maybe you should declare Rhode Island a lost Greek colony LoL Slavic: Korce, Lushnje, Pogradec, Corovode, Polican,Selenice, Kucove, Diber(Dibra) etc Greek:Durres, Vlore, Gjirokaster,Sarande,Peshkopi etc Turkish:Tirana,Elbasan, Berat(ex Antipatrea and Belograd), Has etc There is no need to read many books to understand this...its obvious.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 11:03:06 GMT -5
Greek:Durres, Vlore, Gjirokaster,Sarande,Peshkopi etc Man I can't wait for Janina, Athina, Selanik to be added to the list
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 11:03:15 GMT -5
Fier.
Greeks on the other hand don't pretend that we are pure aryan blood breed, despite the toponyms' changing...we are not hypocrits to pretend that not few albos, vlachs and slavs assimilated by the greek majority... But none can deny the unique well documented continuity on these... greco-speaking people who live in the south of Balkans...being subsaharans or viking-aryans...
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