Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 11:04:04 GMT -5
Greek:Durres, Vlore, Gjirokaster,Sarande,Peshkopi etc Man I can't wait for Janina, Athina, Selanik to be added to the list I don't get you... ...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 11:11:30 GMT -5
Man I can't wait for Janina, Athina, Selanik to be added to the list I don't get you... ... Well, I don't expect you to, but perhaps you grand-grand-grandchildren will. It's kinda of a very very long-term project.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 11:19:38 GMT -5
I don't get you... ... Well, I don't expect you to, but perhaps you grand-grand-grandchildren will. It's kinda of a very very long-term project. Sure...are you sleepwalking right now in front of your monitor...?...or you write this stuff seriously?
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 12:18:00 GMT -5
Sure...are you sleepwalking right now in front of your monitor...?...or you write this stuff seriously? How can one sleepwalk in front a computer? The word you're looking for is hallucinating. Anyways, no worries Patrine, the change will be swift and your grand-grand-grandchildren won't even feel it. They'll have to change their names from Nick and Vasilis to Mustafa and Ahmet, drop the "s" from their last name, learn a little bit Albanian and maybe then they can clean my grand-grand-grandchildren's mansion. Oh I forgot a little procedure too: they'll have to get circumsized. Quick and painless.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 12:27:24 GMT -5
Behave...i'll sent Papajannis to hellenise all of you...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 12:29:56 GMT -5
Behave...i'll sent Papajannis to hellenise all of you... A cock-sucking priest? Tha's your best line of defense?
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Post by insomniac on Jul 7, 2009 12:34:45 GMT -5
Albanians on the other hand have a very well documented history for over 4.000 years,with thousands of albanopelasgothracomalaysian texts...with a rich continuous literature, with major cities called like this Tirana, Durres, Vlore, Elbasan, Korce, Gjirokaster, Berat, Lushnje, Sarande, Pogradec. Peshkopi, Corovode, Polican, Selenice, Kucove, Biber, Has....( ???albanian names???) ... pure fanatic Aryans who in the same time protect Jews...with strong national identity not only after 1890 or something but from the times of Noe...etc etc Every time I read texties like this I feel proud about Greeks majority's level... PS. I thought we were not Saharans...Aren't we Albanians? It just shows that we respect history even of the invadors. It's easy to change names.
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Post by donnie on Jul 7, 2009 12:41:00 GMT -5
Quite on the contrary. The fact that GREECE, not Albania, has changed local toponyms of foreign origin proves you are the ones suffering from a complex of being pure, a syndrome stuck with you since Fallmerayer claimed you to be an amalgam of many nations. If individual Albanians are fixated with proving themselves as Aryan, that is smth which cannot be said about us all, but in your case, this obsession with purity and continuity has reached legislative proportions and is thus institutionalized.
The same cannot be said of us. Not to mention we've always respected the rights of our minorities, not subjecting them to projects of population exchange, expulsions or forced assimilation.
1) First the Slavic toponyms; could you break down the etymology of Lushnje for me? What's the meaning of the town in Slavic. And why is Diber there? Its etymology is obscure to linguists.
2) How is Durres Greek? The Greek colony was actually named Epidamnos. Many consider Dyrrachion to be an Illyrian name, adopted by the Romans because Epidamnos was thought to be a bad omen, due to the word damnus ('damage'). And Peshkopi is listed here in the Albanian form, not the Greek, even if the word itself may be a Greek word originally.
3) Could you break down the etymology of Tirana for me? From what I knew, the name comes from a local word for sand, compare to rana (sand in the Geg dialect, as opposed to rërë in Tosk). And Berat is Slavic, from Belgrad, 'white city', not Turkish. Elbasan is a recent name, and is Arabic meaning 'the place which rules', named so by Mehmet Fatih. Its former name, Scampa, might be related to the word shkëmb (rock, or perhaps a metaphorical reference to the local fortress known as Hiskampis) ... or it might be the old name for the river Shkumbin. If the river gave its name to the city, it might very well come from the word shkumë, meaning 'foam'.
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 13:11:19 GMT -5
Even from the Greek and Albanians coforumers here anybody can understand who believes in blood...purity and...superiotity. (I mean the majority of those "groups") 1) First the Slavic toponyms; could you break down the etymology of Lushnje for me? What's the meaning of the town in Slavic. And why is Diber there? Its etymology is obscure to linguists. 2) How is Durres Greek? The Greek colony was actually named Epidamnos. Many consider Dyrrachion to be an Illyrian name, adopted by the Romans because Epidamnos was thought to be a bad omen, due to the word damnus ('damage'). And Peshkopi is listed here in the Albanian form, not the Greek, even if the word itself may be a Greek word originally. 3) Could you break down the etymology of Tirana for me? From what I knew, the name comes from a local word for sand, compare to rana (sand in the Geg dialect, as opposed to rërë in Tosk). And Berat is Slavic, from Belgrad, 'white city', not Turkish. Elbasan is a recent name, and is Arabic meaning 'the place which rules', named so by Mehmet Fatih. Its former name, Scampa, might be related to the word shkëmb (rock, or perhaps a metaphorical reference to the local fortress known as Hiskampis) ... or it might be the old name for the river Shkumbin. If the river gave its name to the city, it might very well come from the word shkumë, meaning 'foam'. I bet Lushnje is from slavic lozьna(lozьnъ)- that means arbor, pergola,vine. Plenty of simiral slavic toponyms in Serbia and Bulgaria, Lozna, Lozno, Loznik, Loznica, Lozan, Lozen etc etc. Dibra/Дебар- From slavic dьbrь, gorge. About Dyrrachion...there is also a Dyrrachion/ Dyrrachi in Arcadia also...an ancient placename, meaning double ridge. If an Illyrian presence...in Arcadia is proven...i quit... As you said Pishkopi, is from the greek word Episkopi,bishopric. Berat in turkish means that : www.sozluk.net/index.php?word=berat. Maybe Turks etymologising wrongly the "Belgrad" called the city Berat, like some osman tsoglans called the City Islambul... Wasn't Tirana established by an osman budala?
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 13:16:04 GMT -5
Behave...i'll sent Papajannis to hellenise all of you... A c**k-sucking priest? Tha's your best line of defense? If I was a "proud sqiptar" or "karta" type I would answer to your question by posting 50 photos from Greeks special forces and 20 youtube videos about the Greek airforce....but I'm not... ;D
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Post by donnie on Jul 7, 2009 13:26:43 GMT -5
You bet doesn't cut it. It seems a little unconvincing, and to my knowledge, Cabej lists Lushnje as an Albanian toponym, but I've forgotten his explanation. I'll check if I can find anything.
Dibra is mentioned by Ptolemy in the middle of the 2nd century AD in his Geographia, as Deborus, meaning it precedes the Slavic invasions.
Probably they did explain it wrongly, because Berat is obviously a corruption of Belgrad (Velgrado or Belgrado in medieval accounts).
That doesn't mean much. That "budala" might've been a pasha of local origin, since it is claimed he was from the nearby village of Mullet. And as a settlement, Tirana was inhabited before Sulejman pasha Bargjini made it a centre in 1611. As a toponym too, it probably preceded him, and he merely adopted it.
Either way, I think it's precisely the many foreign toponyms which confirm our autochtony. If we were invaders, we would've swept all foreign toponyms aside, much like the Slavs did in Northern Serbia, Bosnia and the Dalmatian hinterland. But we didn't. Instead, most of the old toponmy follow a clear pattern of evolution in accordance with the phonetic rules of the Albanian language. Village names on the other hand do not indicate much, as they're not as longlived as names of cities, mountains & rivers.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 13:36:43 GMT -5
If I was a "proud sqiptar" or "karta" type I would answer to your question by posting 50 photos from Greeks special forces and 20 youtube videos about the Greek airforce....but I'm not... ;D Judging by your avatar I'd say you are a "proud Shqiptar"
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2009 14:00:44 GMT -5
I don't get you... ... Well, I don't expect you to, but perhaps you grand-grand-grandchildren will. It's kinda of a very very long-term project. Do you know how many "managers" and their very very long-term projects are being buried the last 2,500 years under the soil of Thessaloniki? Thessaloniki's land is like a huge graveyard of "smart" people's, with long term projects, bones..
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 7, 2009 14:04:14 GMT -5
Where does a Greek come off by calling an Albanian a Turk? Look in a mirror buddy, there is absolutely nothing European about your appearance. Your kind often gets mistaken for Middle Easterners and North Africans. To make matters worst, you claim to be descendants of the Ancient Greeks, yet, your a bunch of right wing religion fanatics. Don't you find it ironic that there is no Greek without Orthodoxy? How could that possibly be? Funny how you're the same bunch that did not even recognize your Greek nationality until the 18th century, and ironically enough it was the Orthodox Church that promoted these pseudo-bs ideas. Maybe religion is necessary to promote your Greekness. I swear sometimes these Ultra-Nationalist from the diaspora are worst then the natives. Have a cold beer in Kanadia, go watch some hockey, attend a Serbian Orthodox church to make you feel like your at home and STFU. You know dick about the Balkans. You're not so smart.. arent you eh? I cannot see more Med European appearance than Greeks in any other race of Med Sea.. On the contrary what I dont see around Med Sea are short, pale white, triangle heads with ears like Jumbo the elephant..
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 14:06:53 GMT -5
Do you know how many "managers" and their very very long-term projects are being buried the last 2,500 years under the soil of Thessaloniki? Thessaloniki's land is like a huge graveyard of "smart" people's, with long term projects, bones.. I know for Jews it is probably one of the biggest graveyeards after Nazi Germany
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 7, 2009 15:05:13 GMT -5
I can't believe we are writing to a bunch of Ali Pasha's... As for your names ..you have adopted them in the last 100 years.... on your way to looking for a cultural identity..which you haven't pinned down yet.... (Kanaris grabs crotch.... ) I got your identity right here Ali.... ;D
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 7, 2009 15:41:15 GMT -5
I can't believe we are writing to a bunch of Ali Pasha's... Yet you do it on a non-stop basis. There's no way we can keep you malakas away from this place and Ali's Koqet.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 7, 2009 16:11:12 GMT -5
I bet Lushnje is from slavic lozьna(lozьnъ)- that means arbor, pergola,vine. Plenty of simiral slavic toponyms in Serbia and Bulgaria, Lozna, Lozno, Loznik, Loznica, Lozan, Lozen etc etc. Ahh another hajduke ...what you see here similarity between Lushnje and Lozana?...only word "L"...what a logic ;D 1) Lushnje...we have an albanian tribes Lushi....also had alot arvanites in greece had lushi surname. 2) Lushnja during medvieal was lake, so name derived from Lumi (lake). also we have Lozana (city, place) in Switerland and Germany...are you sure that word lozana is not germanic? Dibra/Дебар- From slavic dьbrь, gorge. Like said Donny, this place mentioned before slavic invasion and is albanian name that mean Snow (debore)...Dibra region (as Albania and Macedonia) along Kukes (Albania) ,Gostivar (Macedonia) are most place in region with high snow. Here is map of II Century...Dibra called Deborus and open eyes:
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jul 7, 2009 16:32:42 GMT -5
Also notice in that map..."Bora monis" (albanian Bora mean Snow) in today Kosovo, which today we call Bjeshket e Nemuna (along Dibra/Gostivar region) which is one of most cold zone in Balcan...
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 7, 2009 16:35:13 GMT -5
-Ok, all placenames in Albania are pure albanopelasgothracoshqiptar.
-All the words of the albanian language are pure pelasgian.
- All albanians are pure Aryans who save Jews during the wars... ;D
Am I right now?
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