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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 15:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 15:13:56 GMT -5
Rogue states have short lives...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 15:22:51 GMT -5
I think that unless Israel and America should attack Iran or alienate it to the extreme, the country will look towards a new and more secular counter-revolution. The problem is that the Muslim world is in a siege mentality. With the recent Israel-Palestine event and the last few years of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan has made Muslims feel like the world is pressing in on them. Increased Islamism in Pakistan is also a sign of this.
Hopefully Iran will one day see a more secular society free from the Mullah.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 15:24:50 GMT -5
No different than Greek riots. These are societies with problems. At best they will always be mediocre...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 15, 2009 15:26:25 GMT -5
These are different. These are protests from a people who are fed up with the manipulation of their leaders and their corruption.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 15, 2009 15:30:38 GMT -5
Same with those Greek students. Fed up with low standard of living, rising costs, disorganization and corruption.
Same thing...
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Post by donnie on Jun 15, 2009 15:31:50 GMT -5
The youth in the cities like Tehran are fed up. The mullahs enjoy a large support among the uneducated rural inhabitants. In big centres, the population, which is mostly young and progressive, they seem all to be against the current form of government. But I don't see how they will be able to sieze power without much bloodshed. Atleast not now.
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Post by epiroti on Jun 15, 2009 15:50:12 GMT -5
The problem is not the really the level of civilisation of the country, like some people like to believe. Hell, it's not even the over-defensiveness of muslim nations.
The problem is the religious political system. The current president is backed up by the anatollah(?), supreme leader of the country, who doesn't just control the army but puts a religious spin on his authority (every dictator has his way of rationalising his own actions to himself, but this one is quite unique). Basically, he is supporting a retarded president, whose policies and loud mouth have got his country to economic stagnation.
Some people are with Iran on this issue just because they sympathise with "the anti-american rebel". But this is essentially the same political system who put a million $ on a writers head because he published a book where he questioned the validity of certain claims in the Qur'an; the same system who took hostages from the American embassy, etc.
There is a progressive movement, but it is powerless. Almost a whole party got arrested yesterday. The media got shut-down. And the president (who by the way carries himself like a backwards villager) speaks as though he is a prophet...
My point is, it is a religious dictatorship, backed by a strong army, and no-one is going to their rescue... It'll take a very long time for things to change over there.
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Post by donnie on Jun 15, 2009 16:37:34 GMT -5
Your words are the same as those of an Iranian friend of mine. The people are powerless in the face of the rigorous control wielded by the government and its security forces. The worse of all is the Revolutionary Guard which besides taking care of internal & border security, also enforces the law ... which includes the most trivial things, like telling women if their scarf isn't sitting correctly, or to maintain the strict female-male divide in public beaches etc, just walking around armed with AKs, terrifying people and keeping it in a state of fear. Also, alot of people remember the last revolution and do not have the will or the strength to repeat it once more. The youth who do not remember the revolution have no political representation or resources other than their education and progressive ideas, with which they can fight the government.
It will be a long time before the current form of government will end in Iran and democracy replace it.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 15, 2009 16:50:49 GMT -5
Insomniac ...nice try..but no cigar....
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 15, 2009 16:56:33 GMT -5
its a proven practise over and over again, the more you try to control and tighten the noose on people the more they will yearn for freedom and challenge authority, i think there is a vast gap between what the elite in power along with the hierarchy of muslim clerics try to portray iran as and the masses of young people who share a different vision for what the country should be like, the country looks heavily polarised to me and an imminent butting of heads is just days away from civil unrest, the immediate future does not looks promising.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Jun 15, 2009 20:47:09 GMT -5
Holy Quran is the Constitution which leads all Islamic countries and that stays forever. There are jewish people with their propaganda and media which make mess and trying to break not only Islam but and everybody's else faith and religion. Jewish must make real peace with all middle east Islamic countries if they want to save Israel. Video Beautiful Tehran!! Congratulation to Mr. Ahmadinajat being elected second term Iranian President!!!
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 16, 2009 2:45:06 GMT -5
Your words are the same as those of an Iranian friend of mine. The people are powerless in the face of the rigorous control wielded by the government and its security forces. The worse of all is the Revolutionary Guard which besides taking care of internal & border security, also enforces the law ... which includes the most trivial things, like telling women if their scarf isn't sitting correctly, or to maintain the strict female-male divide in public beaches etc, just walking around armed with AKs, terrifying people and keeping it in a state of fear. Also, alot of people remember the last revolution and do not have the will or the strength to repeat it once more. The youth who do not remember the revolution have no political representation or resources other than their education and progressive ideas, with which they can fight the government. It will be a long time before the current form of government will end in Iran and democracy replace it. If there is another revolution it will be followed by a democracy, but rather by some other form of dictatorship, whether secular socialist or secular nationalist or, most likely, a mixture of both.
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